Questions for Christians

[Pegg]

first,i think what was inspired to Moses is the Torah or (the old testment),yes for sure it was a holybook itself,but what about the rest of the bible,it wasn't supposed to be as god's word??,i mean it maybe teachings from prophets,(like Hadeeth in Islam) but what made it (words of god)??

the writings of the prophets were given to announce Gods judgements on the nation, to foretell his purpose, to teach his laws and to correct the people when they were going wrong. Sometimes God sent his judgement messages to people of the nations too as in the case of Jonah going to the city of Ninevah with Gods judgement against it.

Have you ever read the writings of Jeremiah, Isaiah, Micah, Jonah etc???

i know that god had said that he would send the Messieh,but why not as a prophet?!!
even when you say he mentioned god as (my father) and (your father),that makes jesus a normal man like us,a prophet maybe,even maybe the word (father) was because of translation...

again i mean,what proves that jesus is not a prophet like the the rest of prophets??

He was a prophet, but he was also the Messiah and the Messiah was much more then a prophet. None of the prophets were given the role that the Messiah was given. The Messiah was to be the 'king' of Gods heavenly kingdom... no other prophet was given that honor.

Isaiah prophesied about the Messiah...
Isaiah 9:6 For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. 7 To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom in order to establish it firmly and to sustain it by means of justice and by means of righteousness, from now on and to time indefinite


Jesus identified himself as the one that all the prophets foretold. At Luke 24:25 he said: "So he said to them: “O senseless ones and slow in heart to believe on all the things the prophets spoke! 26 Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?” 27 And commencing at Moses and all the Prophets he interpreted to them things pertaining to himself in all the Scriptures.



So when God told Abraham that it would be one of his 'seeds' (descendents) who all the nations would be blessed from, he was speaking about Jesus.
Genesis 22:15 And Jehovah’s angel proceeded to call to Abraham the second time out of the heavens 16 and to say: “‘By myself I do swear,’ is the utterance of Jehovah,...17 I shall surely bless you and I shall surely multiply your seed like the stars of the heavens and like the grains of sand that are on the seashore; and your seed will take possession of the gate of his enemies. 18 And by means of your seed all nations of the earth will certainly bless themselves due to the fact that you have listened to my voice.


And when Moses said that Jehovah God would raise up another prophet like him, he was talking about Jesus:
Deuteronomy 18:15 A prophet from your own midst, from your brothers, like me, is what Jehovah your God will raise up for you—to him YOU people should listen


So Jesus is the prophet who will unite all the nations of earth back to God. That is why he is unlike any prophet before him. No other prophet of the bible was ever used in such a way.

 

[ThezFad]

the writings of the prophets were given to announce Gods judgements on the nation, to foretell his purpose, to teach his laws and to correct the people when they were going wrong. Sometimes God sent his judgement messages to people of the nations too as in the case of Jonah going to the city of Ninevah with Gods judgement against it.

Have you ever read the writings of Jeremiah, Isaiah, Micah, Jonah etc???



He was a prophet, but he was also the Messiah and the Messiah was much more then a prophet. None of the prophets were given the role that the Messiah was given. The Messiah was to be the 'king' of Gods heavenly kingdom... no other prophet was given that honor.

Isaiah prophesied about the Messiah...
Isaiah 9:6 For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. 7 To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom in order to establish it firmly and to sustain it by means of justice and by means of righteousness, from now on and to time indefinite


Jesus identified himself as the one that all the prophets foretold. At Luke 24:25 he said: "So he said to them: “O senseless ones and slow in heart to believe on all the things the prophets spoke! 26 Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?” 27 And commencing at Moses and all the Prophets he interpreted to them things pertaining to himself in all the Scriptures.



So when God told Abraham that it would be one of his 'seeds' (descendents) who all the nations would be blessed from, he was speaking about Jesus.
Genesis 22:15 And Jehovah’s angel proceeded to call to Abraham the second time out of the heavens 16 and to say: “‘By myself I do swear,’ is the utterance of Jehovah,...17 I shall surely bless you and I shall surely multiply your seed like the stars of the heavens and like the grains of sand that are on the seashore; and your seed will take possession of the gate of his enemies. 18 And by means of your seed all nations of the earth will certainly bless themselves due to the fact that you have listened to my voice.


And when Moses said that Jehovah God would raise up another prophet like him, he was talking about Jesus:
Deuteronomy 18:15 A prophet from your own midst, from your brothers, like me, is what Jehovah your God will raise up for you—to him YOU people should listen


So Jesus is the prophet who will unite all the nations of earth back to God. That is why he is unlike any prophet before him. No other prophet of the bible was ever used in such a way.

Deut 18:15-18 is actually a reference to Gods Final Messenger - Muhammad PBUH. "A prophet from your own midst, from your brothers, like me"

The prophet will be from thehe brothers of the Israelites are the Ishmaelites (arabs).
Muhammad was Arab.

The Prophet will be like Moses.
No prophet was more like Moses than Muhammad (I can expand on this later if you wish).

 

[Mohamed]

I see, so you're placing a higher requirement for inspiration on the Bible then you do the Qur'an? You claim the Torah is inspired only because Moses talked to God, but the rest is not, yet Muhammad only saw the angel Gabriel, he didn't talk to God directly.

no no you still missing what i mean,i just mean not everything prophets got inspired is a holybook,they must be mentioned that this is the holybook,got it??

You mean you didn't know? Uthman ordered all the differing collected manuscripts of the Qur'an collected together, and he burned them all except the one he approved.

i just thought you are talking about the Turkish one lol
yes,u mean Uthman Ibn AfA'n
yes i see,they were all the same
and i didn't mean to take away from bible's importance
i just want to find the suitable discription,i find that part of bible is more like Hadeeth

Because the Bible is viewed and interpreted different ways by different people. I am sure we wouldn't agree on my interpretation of the Qur'an. Care to discuss that?

yes ofcourse,no doubt that the belief is only one
we may find different meaning for everything but not the beliefs
and even if you have a different interpretation,you are one person
we judge on all of muslims,there is only one god for all muslims,one quran for all muslims,no doubt of that,we have dectorines,but not about that at all
you know,quran challenged nonbeliever to make one verse like it
what does that mean,surely i can write down a verse and claim it's like quran's verses
but that's not what quran means ofcourse
it mean to make a verse that some people would believe it's from quran
in word,change only one verse of the quran,and then there would be 2 versions of quran,some believe in that,and some believe in that...
but that never happened,despite there is dectorine,quran is the same for everybody


i still can't find how there are many beleifs
well,tell me what you think forexample,you believe in the trinity?

 

[ThezFad]

So Jesus is the prophet who will unite all the nations of earth back to God. That is why he is unlike any prophet before him. No other prophet of the bible was ever used in such a way.

This is not true - Jesus was not sent to unite the nations of the Earth.

Jesus said: "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." [Matt 15:24]
Jesus said: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans." [Matt 10:5]

Your right - no other prophet was ever used to unite all nations to God - but neither was Jesus.
There was one man who was assigned that task - The Final Prophet MUHAMMAD PBUH.

 

[Pegg]

May I ask to all Christians - since you do not believe in Muhammad, what does Matthew 21:42-43 refer to? "Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the Scriptures:

"'The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone;[
this was the Lord’s doing,
and it is marvelous in our eyes'?

Therefore I tell you, THE KINGDOM OF GOD WILL BE TAKEN FROM YOU AND GIVEN TO A PEOPLE producing its fruits."

We know that the stone the builders rejected is a direct reference to Ishmael who was rejected completely by the Jews.

the apostles of Christ did not believe Ismeal had anything to do with the 'cornerstone'.

In fact, this is what they revealed to be the cornerstone:
Ephesians 2:20 and YOU have been built up upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, while Christ Jesus himself is the foundation cornerstone. 21 In union with him the whole building, being harmoniously joined together, is growing into a holy temple for Jehovah. 22 In union with him YOU, too, are being built up together into a place for God to inhabit by spirit

Jesus then goes onto say that the Kingdom of God will be taken from the Jews and given to another nation.. now because Jesus previously said that Ishmael has become the cornerstone, one would assume that the "people producing its fruits" has some relation to Ishmael.

Now may I ask - who apart from Muhammad PBUH (Who is DIRECTLY related to Ishmael through Kedar) came after Jesus, from a nation other than the Jews and brought the Kingdom of God producing it's fruits?

Yes Jesus did say the kingdom would be given to another nation. However, when this was written, that 'new nation' was already established... .way back in the 1st century.

It was not a geographic nation...but a nation of hearts and the people themselves came from all corners of the earth.... the gentiles.

Acts 10:34 At this Peter opened his mouth and said: “For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial, 35 but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him. 36 He sent out the word to the sons of Israel to declare to them the good news of peace through Jesus Christ: this One is Lord of all [others]. ...43 To him all the prophets bear witness, that everyone putting faith in him gets forgiveness of sins through his name.”
44 While Peter was yet speaking about these matters the holy spirit fell upon all those hearing the word. 45 And the faithful ones that had come with Peter who were of those circumcised were amazed, because the free gift of the holy spirit was being poured out also upon people of the nations. 46 For they heard them speaking with tongues and magnifying God


From that point on, the jewish apostles knew that the new nation had been born.

 

[Mohamed]

the writings of the prophets were given to announce Gods judgements on the nation, to foretell his purpose, to teach his laws and to correct the people when they were going wrong. Sometimes God sent his judgement messages to people of the nations too as in the case of Jonah going to the city of Ninevah with Gods judgement against it.

Have you ever read the writings of Jeremiah, Isaiah, Micah, Jonah etc???



He was a prophet, but he was also the Messiah and the Messiah was much more then a prophet. None of the prophets were given the role that the Messiah was given. The Messiah was to be the 'king' of Gods heavenly kingdom... no other prophet was given that honor.

Isaiah prophesied about the Messiah...
Isaiah 9:6 For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. 7 To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom in order to establish it firmly and to sustain it by means of justice and by means of righteousness, from now on and to time indefinite


Jesus identified himself as the one that all the prophets foretold. At Luke 24:25 he said: "So he said to them: “O senseless ones and slow in heart to believe on all the things the prophets spoke! 26 Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into his glory?” 27 And commencing at Moses and all the Prophets he interpreted to them things pertaining to himself in all the Scriptures.



So when God told Abraham that it would be one of his 'seeds' (descendents) who all the nations would be blessed from, he was speaking about Jesus.
Genesis 22:15 And Jehovah’s angel proceeded to call to Abraham the second time out of the heavens 16 and to say: “‘By myself I do swear,’ is the utterance of Jehovah,...17 I shall surely bless you and I shall surely multiply your seed like the stars of the heavens and like the grains of sand that are on the seashore; and your seed will take possession of the gate of his enemies. 18 And by means of your seed all nations of the earth will certainly bless themselves due to the fact that you have listened to my voice.


And when Moses said that Jehovah God would raise up another prophet like him, he was talking about Jesus:
Deuteronomy 18:15 A prophet from your own midst, from your brothers, like me, is what Jehovah your God will raise up for you—to him YOU people should listen


So Jesus is the prophet who will unite all the nations of earth back to God. That is why he is unlike any prophet before him. No other prophet of the bible was ever used in such a way.

for sorrow i didn't read them before

but we have reached a good point,you consider jesus a prophet not god,so there is nothing Muhamed said against your beliefs,so what makes you disbelieve Mohamed?

 

[ThezFad]

the apostles of Christ did not believe Ismeal had anything to do with the 'cornerstone'.

In fact, this is what they revealed to be the cornerstone:
Ephesians 2:20 and YOU have been built up upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, while Christ Jesus himself is the foundation cornerstone. 21 In union with him the whole building, being harmoniously joined together, is growing into a holy temple for Jehovah. 22 In union with him YOU, too, are being built up together into a place for God to inhabit by spirit

Unfortunately for you, Paul was not an apostle of Christ - he never met Jesus let alone speak and get instructions from him - so to interpret Jesus' words based upon a man like Paul is ridiculous. Jesus says have you not read the scriptures. Do the Jewish scriptures prior to Jesus (ie Torah) say anything about Jesus being rejected? No. But we know that Ishmael was rejected in that Isaac was chosen for the covenant - however after the Jews (Isaac's descendants) messed with God's words and ruined the religion [Jeremiah 8:8] God was going back to the rejected one and he was to become the cornerstone.

Yes Jesus did say the kingdom would be given to another nation. However, when this was written, that 'new nation' was already established... .way back in the 1st century.

It was not a geographic nation...but a nation of hearts and the people themselves came from all corners of the earth.... the gentiles.

Acts 10:34 At this Peter opened his mouth and said: “For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial, 35 but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him. 36 He sent out the word to the sons of Israel to declare to them the good news of peace through Jesus Christ: this One is Lord of all [others]. ...43 To him all the prophets bear witness, that everyone putting faith in him gets forgiveness of sins through his name.”
44 While Peter was yet speaking about these matters the holy spirit fell upon all those hearing the word. 45 And the faithful ones that had come with Peter who were of those circumcised were amazed, because the free gift of the holy spirit was being poured out also upon people of the nations. 46 For they heard them speaking with tongues and magnifying God

Once again you have quoted Paul - a man who wrote after Jesus alleged crucifixion and a man who never walked talked or met with Jesus Christ.

 

[Mohamed]

the apostles of Christ did not believe Ismeal had anything to do with the 'cornerstone'.

In fact, this is what they revealed to be the cornerstone:
Ephesians 2:20 and YOU have been built up upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, while Christ Jesus himself is the foundation cornerstone. 21 In union with him the whole building, being harmoniously joined together, is growing into a holy temple for Jehovah. 22 In union with him YOU, too, are being built up together into a place for God to inhabit by spirit



Yes Jesus did say the kingdom would be given to another nation. However, when this was written, that 'new nation' was already established... .way back in the 1st century.

It was not a geographic nation...but a nation of hearts and the people themselves came from all corners of the earth.... the gentiles.

Acts 10:34 At this Peter opened his mouth and said: “For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial, 35 but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him. 36 He sent out the word to the sons of Israel to declare to them the good news of peace through Jesus Christ: this One is Lord of all [others]. ...43 To him all the prophets bear witness, that everyone putting faith in him gets forgiveness of sins through his name.”
44 While Peter was yet speaking about these matters the holy spirit fell upon all those hearing the word. 45 And the faithful ones that had come with Peter who were of those circumcised were amazed, because the free gift of the holy spirit was being poured out also upon people of the nations. 46 For they heard them speaking with tongues and magnifying God


From that point on, the jewish apostles knew that the new nation had been born.

i'm asking what makes you disbelieve Mohamed,even if he isn't in the bible?!

 

[ThezFad]

i'm asking what makes you disbelieve Mohamed,even if he isn't in the bible?!

I do believe in Muhammad and he is in the Bible (E.g. Deut 18:18, and Songs of Solomon 5:16 [In Hebrew he is mentioned by name explicitly).

He is the greatest man who ever lived and we should aspire to be like him and inshallah meet him along with all other prophets such as Jesus in Jannah.

 

[Mohamed]

I do believe in Muhammad and he is in the Bible (E.g. Deut 18:18, and Songs of Solomon 5:16 [In Hebrew he is mentioned by name explicitly).

He is the greatest man who ever lived and we should aspire to be like him and inshallah meet him along with all other prophets such as Jesus in Jannah.

sorry,i quated wrong

 

[ThezFad]

sorry,i quated wrong

lol inshallah all Christians will realize whats true... Trinity is a pagan ideology created by men at councils such as that of Nicea.

 

[Many Sages One Truth]

lol inshallah all Christians will realize whats true... Trinity is a pagan ideology created by men at councils such as that of Nicea.

I hate to tell you but the Trinity has existed in some form since pretty much the beginning of Christianity. The NT teaches that Jesus is God, and it's something all early Christians pretty much universally accepted, even Gnostics.

 

[Mohamed]

I hate to tell you but the Trinity has existed in some form since pretty much the beginning of Christianity. The NT teaches that Jesus is God, and it's something all early Christians pretty much universally accepted, even Gnostics.

watch this video
it's very good
not sure if you know Yusuf Estes

and here is a verse from what he mentioned

chapter 23 verse 19 old testament

God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

 

[Pegg]

Deut 18:15-18 is actually a reference to Gods Final Messenger - Muhammad PBUH. "A prophet from your own midst, from your brothers, like me"

The prophet will be from thehe brothers of the Israelites are the Ishmaelites (arabs).
Muhammad was Arab.

That is completely inaccurate. Jacob, the 2nd son of Isaac, was renamed 'Isreal' by God. His 12 sons are called 'Isrealites'. They each form the heads of the 12 tribes of the nation of Isreal.

So these 12 sons are not brothers of the arab nations...they are only brothers of each other.

 

[Pegg]

for sorrow i didn't read them before

but we have reached a good point,you consider jesus a prophet not god,so there is nothing Muhamed said against your beliefs,so what makes you disbelieve Mohamed?

I agree, Mohammad was correct in his teaching that Jesus was not God.

But my faith is that Jesus is the Messiah. Nowhere in the scriptures do we read that another messiah will come. The full revelation of the scriptures shows that Jesus was given the heavenly kingdom to rule the earth and bring mankind back to God, to establish peace and harmony, to remove sin and death and to resurrect the dead. If he is soon to accomplish all that, then no other messiah is required.

Mohammad will be resurrected by Jesus, and then I would like to meet him and find out about him. I know Mohammad believed Jesus was sent by God...I think he will be amazed when he learns the true extent of who Jesus was.

 

[Pegg]

Unfortunately for you, Paul was not an apostle of Christ - he never met Jesus let alone speak and get instructions from him - so to interpret Jesus' words based upon a man like Paul is ridiculous. Jesus says have you not read the scriptures. Do the Jewish scriptures prior to Jesus (ie Torah) say anything about Jesus being rejected? No.

Of course they do. Have you not read the scriptures?

Isaiah 53:2 And he (the messiah) will come up like a twig before one, and like a root out of waterless land. No stately form does he have, nor any splendor; and when we shall see him, there is not the appearance so that we should desire him. 3 He was despised and was avoided by men, a man meant for pains and for having acquaintance with sickness. And there was as if the concealing of one’s face from us. He was despised, and we held him as of no account. 4 Truly our sicknesses were what he himself carried; and as for our pains, he bore them. But we ourselves accounted him as plagued, stricken by God and afflicted. But he was being pierced for our transgression; he was being crushed for our errors. 5 The chastisement meant for our peace was upon him, and because of his wounds there has been a healing for us. 7 He was hard pressed, and he was letting himself be afflicted; yet he would not open his mouth. He was being brought just like a sheep to the slaughtering; and like a ewe that before her shearers has become mute, he also would not open his mouth. 8 Because of restraint and of judgment he was taken away; and who will concern himself even with [the details of] his generation? For he was severed from the land of the living ones. Because of the transgression of my people he had the stroke. 9 And he will make his burial place even with the wicked ones, and with the rich class in his death, despite the fact that he had done no violence and there was no deception in his mouth...."

Did Mohammad die such a death? I dont think so....i think he died old and satisfied, yes?
Even Jesus (A prophet who cannot lie as muslims believe) said that he had to die:
Matthew 20:28 Jesus said: "Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his soul a ransom in exchange for many

John 3:14 And just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so the Son of man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone believing in him may have everlasting life

Once again you have quoted Paul - a man who wrote after Jesus alleged crucifixion and a man who never walked talked or met with Jesus Christ.

If Paul is a liar, then so is every apostle of Jesus who accepted Paul as an Apostle. Paul was used by the Jerusalem congregation as a minister. It was the Apostle Peter who baptized Paul and taught Paul about Christs ministry. Paul was specially chosen by the resurrected Jesus to be an apostle to the Nations. So as a christian, Pauls words are as valuable as Jesus words because it was from Jesus that Paul was sent out.

 

[Pegg]

I hate to tell you but the Trinity has existed in some form since pretty much the beginning of Christianity. The NT teaches that Jesus is God, and it's something all early Christians pretty much universally accepted, even Gnostics.

that is wrong.
you should read the early church fathers documents before making that claim because their documents do not present Jesus as God at all.

Servant and Child are two expressions used by two of the earliest church fathers of the 2nd century... that does not equate to the idea of Jesus being God.

No wonder christianity looks so stupid!

 

[Falcon]

Isa.9v6-For unto a child is born, unto us a son is given ; and the government shall be upon his shoulder; and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. ---Who is this God? None other than Jesus, certainly not as JWs believe , an angel of any kind.

 

[Mohamed]

I agree, Mohammad was correct in his teaching that Jesus was not God.

But my faith is that Jesus is the Messiah. Nowhere in the scriptures do we read that another messiah will come. The full revelation of the scriptures shows that Jesus was given the heavenly kingdom to rule the earth and bring mankind back to God, to establish peace and harmony, to remove sin and death and to resurrect the dead. If he is soon to accomplish all that, then no other messiah is required.

Mohammad will be resurrected by Jesus, and then I would like to meet him and find out about him. I know Mohammad believed Jesus was sent by God...I think he will be amazed when he learns the true extent of who Jesus was.

no other Messhiah is required!!!!
we follow what we see it required or what god sends?!!
have you read what quran says about jesus?

you didn't answer my question yet
you just explained your faith
but i'm asking:
Mohamed claimed he is a prophet,and established a religion which now holds 1.5 billion,and this religion doesn't contradict your faith,it's like extension of it,what makes you disbilieve him

another question
have you red quran?,i don't mean that you should read it because it's amazing book and peaceful and such things,i'm just telling you that quran argues you,argues christians and jews,argues you about Moses,jesus and Mohamed,how could i listen that somebody has a book talks about me and don't read it
just show me a book hold (muslims) or (islam) and surely i would read it

one more question

the old testament,song of songs,chapter 5,last verse

טז חִכּוֹ, מַמְתַקִּים, וְכֻלּוֹ, מַחֲמַדִּים; זֶה דוֹדִי וְזֶה רֵעִי, בְּנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלִָם.

the word in red
copy and paste it to any known dicitionary,from hebrew to english

and here is mohamed in arabic
محمد

it's even similar to it in shape
whatch this video

[youtube]cur_6aYs_7k[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cur_6aYs_7k


and give me an explaination about that

 

[Pegg]

no other Messhiah is required!!!!
we follow what we see it required or what god sends?!!
have you read what quran says about jesus?

you didn't answer my question yet
you just explained your faith
but i'm asking:
Mohamed claimed he is a prophet,and established a religion which now holds 1.5 billion,and this religion doesn't contradict your faith,it's like extension of it,what makes you disbilieve him

the quran does in fact contradict the bible...it contradicts Jesus teachings and it contradicts the old testament. I do not believe that any book that contradicts the holy bible would have come from God. That is why I dont believe Mohammad is a prophet of God. He may have been a good and holy man as many are....but if he was sent by God, his teachings would show it and I dont believe they do.

another question
have you red quran?,i don't mean that you should read it because it's amazing book and peaceful and such things,i'm just telling you that quran argues you,argues christians and jews,argues you about Moses,jesus and Mohamed,how could i listen that somebody has a book talks about me and don't read it
just show me a book hold (muslims) or (islam) and surely i would read it

Yes I am very aware of that, and have read parts of the quran...not in full though. I can certainly see that there are biblical influences in the Quran.



one more question

the old testament,song of songs,chapter 5,last verse

טז חִכּוֹ, מַמְתַקִּים, וְכֻלּוֹ, מַחֲמַדִּים; זֶה דוֹדִי וְזֶה רֵעִי, בְּנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלִָם.

the word in red
copy and paste it to any known dicitionary,from hebrew to english

and here is mohamed in arabic
محمد

it's even similar to it in shape
whatch this video

[youtube]cur_6aYs_7k[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cur_6aYs_7k


and give me an explaination about that

it could simply be a coincidence.

Im sure you realise that our names hold certain meanings. My name means 'salty water' ... Im sure i can find my name mentioned somewhere in the bible too, but it doesnt mean that it is me being personally being talked about.


Im sure that you believe that it is Mohammad being spoken of in the song of solomon so its not for me to question you. However, why only in the song of solomon? We see that the Messiah is mentioned throughout the entire bible...not only in one obscure reference, but he is spoken of in great depth in many books of the bible. If Mohammad was to be such an important figure, then why is this such an obscure reference?

And if Mohammad is the final prophet.... what of the Messiah? Does that mean the Messiah spoken of in the Hebrew scriptures is not going to rule the earth and bring all the nations into harmony with God? Or do you believe Mohammad is the Messiah??