Questions for creationists who ‘understand evolution’?

[FDRC2014]

So everyone just ran over Dirty P's question....
Is dirt alive?

You are dust.....('you' as in everyone).
Beyond your last breath.....you are still dust.

Essentially, yes :yes:

Evolution can explain the diversity of life on this planet.

Yes! :yes:

It does not explain....life.

Yes :yes:

God did it.

NO :no:

Saying this is like the example i have used time and time again. Although there is no very strong evidence (like with evolution) there are still many hypothesise out there with not a huge amount of evidence, it doesnt mean that god did it.
Learn from the past. Look at the Greeks, the used to think that lightning was caused by god, when simply the just didn't know. Now we know what causes lightning, so you would be mad to blame it on god. So why blame something else we don't know on god, when there is still no evidence at all for the existence of god!

We just simple don't know. Simple. It's there to find out. Science doesn't know everything right now.

 

[Thief]

Essentially, yes :yes:


Yes! :yes:


Yes :yes:


NO :no:

Saying this is like the example i have used time and time again. Although there is no very strong evidence (like with evolution) there are still many hypothesise out there with not a huge amount of evidence, it doesnt mean that god did it.
Learn from the past. Look at the Greeks, the used to think that lightning was caused by god, when simply the just didn't know. Now we know what causes lightning, so you would be mad to blame it on god. So why blame something else we don't know on god, when there is still no evidence at all for the existence of god!

We just simple don't know. Simple. It's there to find out. Science doesn't know everything right now.

Spirit first.
Science can't go there.
No equations.
No experiments.

Chemistry does not beget spirit.

 

[McBell]

Spirit first.
Science can't go there.
No equations.
No experiments.

Chemistry does not beget spirit.

Yes, science cannot go there.
I strongly suspect that that is the very reason you do.
Fits right in with your mantra "Faith Does Not Require Proof."

 

[FDRC2014]

Spirit first.
Science can't go there.
No equations.
No experiments.

Chemistry does not beget spirit.

There is no such thing as spirit, our heads have been seen to just be lots of chemical reactions. Anything we don't know, we simply don't know. It's not god.
Besides, spirit is entirely different from creationism.

 

[Thief]

There is no such thing as spirit, our heads have been seen to just be lots of chemical reactions. Anything we don't know, we simply don't know. It's not god.
Besides, spirit is entirely different from creationism.

Nay...altogether.
If there is no distinction of spirit.....I'm having a discussion with.....what?
A rock?

That you are able to respond as you do....indicates spirit.

What you haven't dealt with is the afterlife.

And as long as you are in denial....
This thread no longer has a point.

It's not another 'disprove God' thread.

If all you want is a lengthy discourse what you think evolution is about...
why ask believers of God?

You're in the wrong church.

 

[McBell]

Nay...altogether.
If there is no distinction of spirit.....I'm having a discussion with.....what?
A rock?

Define spirit.

That you are able to respond as you do....indicates spirit.

No, it indicates sentience.

What you haven't dealt with is the afterlife.

You assume to much.

And as long as you are in denial....
This thread no longer has a point.

But that won;t stop your preaching...

It's not another 'disprove God' thread.

No reason to 'disprove' something that has been shown to exist.

If all you want is a lengthy discourse what you think evolution is about...
why ask believers of God?

Because many 'believers of god' do not know what evolution is, yet claim they do.
Take Kent Hovind for example.

You're in the wrong church.

Or perhaps it is you who are in the wrong building?

 

[FDRC2014]

Nay...altogether.
If there is no distinction of spirit.....I'm having a discussion with.....what?
A rock?

No, a rock is not a human.
A rock is mostly silicon, and a human is mostly carbon. You would be more accurate saying you are talking to ash. But a human is obviously the answer.

That you are able to respond as you do....indicates spirit.

No it doesn't. It indicates the ability to perform complex processes by the electrical firing of neurones in our brain, which, are made form matter, just like everything you see around you. The sodium and potassium help create these electrical impulses, just like the sodium in table salt.

What you haven't dealt with is the afterlife.

What? Well, you haven't dealt with the parallel universe hypothesis. I don't consider there is an after life. Why should there be?

And as long as you are in denial....
This thread no longer has a point.

Well, this is your opinion, that a thread without god is pointless.

It's not another 'disprove God' thread.

Science just doesn't consider god. I was wondering how many people actually understood evolution. In conclusion, not many at all.

If all you want is a lengthy discourse what you think evolution is about...
why ask believers of God?

Well, you clicked on the thread. I think most people reading would like, what ever is the correct happening (there is only one), to believe as much as possible in what is right. Therefore i feel that my claims of evolution are supported, and justifiable.
Another point is that especially in the US, evolution is not understood very well by the general population. I think this is generally to do with people objections as it contradicts what their faith says.
In my opinion children should be taught the evidence, and how evolution explains what we can see around us. If we let parents completely educate their children (which obviously they have the right to do so), ensuring children are educated correctly, with current knowledge could not happen.
But this is why I object strongly to faith schools (that would have to be another thread).

You're in the wrong church.

I would argue the universe was my church, so no, I'm not.
What even is a church? to you?

 

[Android]

Science just doesn't consider god.

I'm glad you said this. This is the part that really annoys me.
Creationists have no problem whatsoever enjoying the fruits of scientific achievement but as soon as evolution comes into it.... it's world war 3!

Science is merely a tool for explaining and understanding the obsevations of the natural world. As "god" is supernatural and not part of the natural world, the idea of a god has no place in science whatsoever.

Science has NOTHING to say about a god.

...except that a god is not required to explain life on earth.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Science just doesn't consider god. I was wondering how many people actually understood evolution. In conclusion, not many at all.

Which is why my very first post in this thread asked if this was a joke (http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2465278-post188.html) considering it's been my experience as well that they don't understand evolution. Even though it is based on a multitude of biological facts the majority of people, especially here in the US, don't want to understand it.

 

[camanintx]

That you are able to respond as you do....indicates spirit.

What you haven't dealt with is the afterlife.

Even if we assume we are more than just chemical reactions, since there is no evidence that we existed prior to our body, what makes you think we can exist after it?

 

[McBell]

Even if we assume we are more than just chemical reactions, since there is no evidence that we existed prior to our body, what makes you think we can exist after it?

Faith.
Cause faith does not require proof.
And some people are all about not proof.

 

[Thief]

Even if we assume we are more than just chemical reactions, since there is no evidence that we existed prior to our body, what makes you think we can exist after it?

You know a tool by it's design.

There are 6billion plus copies of the human form.
Each one is producing a fresh and unique perspective.
It is this quality for which God is mindful of Man.

As for denial....
No God?...what then are you breathing for?

Evolution is nothing more than God's handiwork set in motion a long time ago.

That you did not exist before your life here.....
does not lean to the end of your life as you surrender your last breath.

Unless of course.....you insist.

 

[FDRC2014]

You know a tool by it's design.

There are 6billion plus copies of the human form.
Each one is producing a fresh and unique perspective.
It is this quality for which God is mindful of Man.

As for denial....
No God?...what then are you breathing for?

Evolution is nothing more than God's handiwork set in motion a long time ago.

That you did not exist before your life here.....
does not lean to the end of your life as you surrender your last breath.

Unless of course.....you insist.

Well, at least if you see how evolution can produce the massive diversity of life on earth, that's a start at seeing what reality.
Regarding how evolution started, this is still debatable.

God though, is a pretty boring hypothesis. I hope in reality, it is something much more exciting!

 

[Thief]

Well, at least if you see how evolution can produce the massive diversity of life on earth, that's a start at seeing what reality.
Regarding how evolution started, this is still debatable.

God though, is a pretty boring hypothesis. I hope in reality, it is something much more exciting!

Just wait til your last breath!

 

[FDRC2014]

Just wait til your last breath!

I'm sure my brain won't be at it's full working then. So i would prefer to use it now, when i can.

 

[McBell]

Just wait til your last breath!

I see you are still trying to keep your empty retort count way up there.

 

[petewentz]

Evolution is beautiful. It explains life in a way that intelligent design never could. Random change in a non-random environment, that if any one species died earlier, lived longer or never existed itself, then perhaps humanity would never be here as well. Even if humanity did exist, then perhaps I wouldn't. I am grateful for the hundreds of millions of years that life has had to evolve into what I am today, a mass of molecules and chemical reactions typing on a machine that has evolved beyond evolution(another story...lol)

Any way, I am going to school because of my new found sense of beauty in the natural world. I want to learn more about evolution. I have the basic idea down, and answered most of your original questions pretty accurately, I think, except for the worker bees question did kind of stump me. But knowing you have more to learn is the first step to learning more.

Oh, and a theory is something that can be tested, understood and falsified.

Remember kids, if you can find a bunny rabbit in the Precambrian you can refute evolution.

 

[Thief]

Evolution is beautiful. It explains life in a way that intelligent design never could. Random change in a non-random environment, that if any one species died earlier, lived longer or never existed itself, then perhaps humanity would never be here as well. Even if humanity did exist, then perhaps I wouldn't. I am grateful for the hundreds of millions of years that life has had to evolve into what I am today, a mass of molecules and chemical reactions typing on a machine that has evolved beyond evolution(another story...lol)

Any way, I am going to school because of my new found sense of beauty in the natural world. I want to learn more about evolution. I have the basic idea down, and answered most of your original questions pretty accurately, I think, except for the worker bees question did kind of stump me. But knowing you have more to learn is the first step to learning more.

Oh, and a theory is something that can be tested, understood and falsified.

Remember kids, if you can find a bunny rabbit in the Precambrian you can refute evolution.

And finding Man among apes?

 

[Android]

No God?...what then are you breathing for?

Why does everything need to have a purpose?

 

[FDRC2014]

And finding Man among apes?

I cam almost guarantee anyone who understands evolution just face-palmed.

How were you born from your grandma, if your cousin is still alive?
Apes live in trees, a different niche to us, they have evolved differently.