Quran 36 v 38

[stvdv]

You are clearly misinterpreting the hadith.
The hadith begins with the following question:
"Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?"
It is talking about the time of sunset.
Sunset happens every 24 hours not every 1 year.
That's why it is not necessary to say "24-hour cycle", we can easily understand that it is talking about a 24-hour cycle.
The response is then related to this 24-hour cycle.
And then the Hadith specifically states that this is the interpretation of Quran 36.38. The Hadith is making it impossible for you to misinterpret verse 36.38.
You see it now?It

The sunset is an illusion. The sun never "sets", the earth rotates around it's axis, creating the illusion that the sun "sets".

 

[InvestigateTruth]

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
"And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing"
I thought Muslims would have had an easy explanation for the meaning of this verse.
I was wrong. Nadir Ahmed (a Muslim apologist) who claims there are no scientific errors in the Quran answered my message but when pressed hard he didn't answer and quit the conversation.
Answering-Christianity responded this way to Answering-Islam:
Answering-Islam said; "..it is obvious from the Qur'an (chapter 36:38) that the sun ran then settled down. The verse says: "And the sun runs on into a resting place." "
Answering-Christianity responded, no it's not obvious because this is referring to when the sun stops
Any Muslim has a better answer to this. I just want to know what Allah meant by that in an easy English translation.

The translation for that particular verse you are using is not completely accurate.
This verse is saying, the sun is moving (rotating) in it's own fixed place.
This is scientifically correct.

 

[stvdv]

The translation for that particular verse you are using is not completely accurate.
This verse is saying, the sun is moving (rotating) in it's own fixed place.
This is scientifically correct.

That is a completely different translation
So, you are saying these 5 translation all got it wrong?
Quran translation Comparison | Al-Quran Surah 36. YaSin, Ayah 38 | Alim

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That is a completely different translation
Which is not given in this word-for-word translation
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran

 

[InvestigateTruth]

That is a completely different translation
So, you are saying these 5 translation all got it wrong?
Quran translation Comparison | Al-Quran Surah 36. YaSin, Ayah 38 | Alim

Also

That is a completely different translation
Which is not given in this word-for-word translation
The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Word by Word Grammar, Syntax and Morphology of the Holy Quran

Yes. The main mistake in the translation given in OP is the word لِمُسْتَقَرٍّ.

Now, this word is used in many other verses of the Quran as well. You can see, how it was translated in other verses:


The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Quran Search

I am familiar with Arabic. This word essentially means 'fixed place'. It means when something or someone has a fixed place, such as a dead person in grave, is fixed.

 

[Raymann]

The sunset is an illusion. The sun never "sets", the earth rotates around it's axis, creating the illusion that the sun "sets".

No sir, the sunset is not an illusion, we see it every night.
The explanation for why it happens is what it is wrong.
We all understand how the solar system works today.
The problem is that the one who asked the question didn't know what we all know today. To make matters worst the one who answered the question didn't know either.
The blind helping the blind.
The one who answered was prophet Muhammad and according to him, his explanation came from Allah.
The hadiths are not to be taken as metaphorical (never) because these are just facts about the life of Muhammad.
You need to take into consideration that you are interpreting the Quran and Hadith on your own and you are ignoring one of the most respected man in the Islamic world (Sahih Bukhari).
Sahih Bukhari is making it very simple for you but you refuse to accept his words.

 

[stvdv]

You need to take into consideration that you are interpreting the Quran and Hadith on your own and
you are ignoring one of the most respected man in the Islamic world (Sahih Bukhari).

Sahih Bukhari is making it very simple for you but you refuse to accept his words.

We have a different approach when it comes to spirituality, so we will never agree on this, and that is fine with me

I trust the Divine in me, so I trust my own interpretation of the Scriptures
You trust Sahih Bukhari, so you go along with his interpretation of the Scripture

You believe the way you choose, and I believe the way I choose. No need to believe the same, as Allah said in below verse
You have your opinion and I have my opinion. "Allah tests us in what He gave us, so advance to [all that is] good"
And "Allah will [then] inform us concerning that over which you used to differ", as explained in below Koran verse

Spoiler: As Allah has said in Koran: 5:48

Koran: 5:48
To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed,
He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He
intended] to test you in what He has given you; so advance to [all
that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will
[then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.​

 

[stvdv]

The one who answered was prophet Muhammad and according to him, his explanation came from Allah

I can believe that Muhammad got the Koran from God. But I can not believe that that the Koran is without error.

 

[stvdv]

you are ignoring one of the most respected man in the Islamic world (Sahih Bukhari).

NO, I read what you asked me to read, and I replied and gave you my opinion
I did not ignore ... you just can not accept that I have a different opinion than you have
I have no problem, that you believe differently than I believe
That's the fun part about "belief systems" ... all are free to have their own opinion
At least that's how it is in my country; they call this "Freedom of Religion"

 

[Baroodi]

You need to improve your comprehension skills.
I'm not trying to invalidate anything I was just asking for the real meaning of Quran 36 v 38 and so far I got the best possible response from (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Hadith 421).
You can read my interpretation on comment #21.
Do you disagree with that hadith or meaning?

Sorry if I got your point wrong. I apologize dear.

 

[Raymann]

Sorry if I got your point wrong. I apologize dear.

No worries, thanks.

 

[Raymann]

We have a different approach when it comes to spirituality, so we will never agree on this, and that is fine with me

I trust the Divine in me, so I trust my own interpretation of the Scriptures
You trust Sahih Bukhari, so you go along with his interpretation of the Scripture

I respect your position but then using the same logic I should respect ISIS, Boko Haram, and Al Qaida.
Muslims do not want to be associated with the belief of terrorist groups but that is a double standard.
Why should we believe it is alright to accept your interpretation and not the terrorist group's interpretation?
They kill people because they believe the scriptures instruct them to do so.
You don't kill people because you believe the scriptures don't instruct you to do so.
We cannot be hypocrites, so you believe the terrorists have the right to have their own interpretation?

 

[VoidoftheSun]

No sir, the sunset is not an illusion, we see it every night.
The explanation for why it happens is what it is wrong.

He was correct, from the vantage point of being positioned on earth, the sunset itself as it appears to us is an optical illusion.
If we were anywhere else than on earth, it would look as it functions. What we see on earth during the sunset is not actually what is taking place physically with the sun.

 

[stvdv]

We cannot be hypocrites, so you believe the terrorists have the right to have their own interpretation?

Freedom of Religion. Many people do not understand this concept. It means free to think/interpret what you believe. But, although you are free to think your own thoughts, when acting you should follow the LAW of the country you live in

Example:
You are free to think I want to kill stvdv
You are not free to actually kill stvdv
It's as simple as that

 

[Raymann]

He was correct, from the vantage point of being positioned on earth, the sunset itself as it appears to us is an optical illusion.
If we were anywhere else than on earth, it would look as it functions. What we see on earth during the sunset is not actually what is taking place physically with the sun.

I understand why you think it is an optical illusion, but my point was that it is not an optical illusion to me (and I am standing on earth) because I know the science behind it. I know how the solar system works therefore I would never ask the question:
Where does the sun go after sunset?
You wouldn't either, because the question doesn't make any sense, but the person in the hadith did ask that illogical question.
why? Because of ignorance by not knowing how the solar system works.
That is understandable for an ignorant human but not for a prophet who is explaining based on Allah's understanding.
That is what is wrong.
Is not an optical illusion to me and shouldn't be an optical illusion to Allah, and Muhammad showed he was as ignorant as the man who asked the question.
Who's to blame Muhammad or Allah?

 

[Raymann]

Freedom of Religion. Many people do not understand this concept. It means free to think/interpret what you believe. But, although you are free to think your own thoughts, when acting you should follow the LAW of the country you live in

Example:
You are free to think I want to kill stvdv
You are not free to actually kill stvdv
It's as simple as that

So what happens when the LAW of the country allows the killing of apostates, gay people, and adultery accused people?
All under some Muslim interpretation of the Quran.
That is happening in many Muslim countries right now.
I guess is an endless discussion.
The peaceful majority claiming that is not real Islam.
The violent minority claiming that is the real Islam.

 

[stvdv]

So what happens when the LAW of the country allows the killing of apostates, gay people, and adultery accused people?
All under some Muslim interpretation of the Quran.
That is happening in many Muslim countries right now.
I guess is an endless discussion.
The peaceful majority claiming that is not real Islam.
The violent minority claiming that is the real Islam.

Islam is said to be a religion of Peace
So there you have your answer
The violent minority has it wrong

 

[Muffled]

The sunset is an illusion. The sun never "sets", the earth rotates around it's axis, creating the illusion that the sun "sets".

I do not believe it is an illusion. As far as the actual motion goes the earth is rotating but as far as observation goes the sun is setting. We do not get to observe the rotation of the earth. It is like the rustling of leaves in the trees revealing that it is windy. The rustling isn't the wind but it is what we can observe to know there is wind.

 

[Muffled]

Yes. The main mistake in the translation given in OP is the word لِمُسْتَقَرٍّ.

Now, this word is used in many other verses of the Quran as well. You can see, how it was translated in other verses:


The Quranic Arabic Corpus - Quran Search

I am familiar with Arabic. This word essentially means 'fixed place'. It means when something or someone has a fixed place, such as a dead person in grave, is fixed.

I believe stopping place and fixed place sounds the same in meaning to me. I suppose the idea of stopping is based on the fact that it was running.

 

[Muffled]

No sir, the sunset is not an illusion, we see it every night.
The explanation for why it happens is what it is wrong.
We all understand how the solar system works today.
The problem is that the one who asked the question didn't know what we all know today. To make matters worst the one who answered the question didn't know either.
The blind helping the blind.
The one who answered was prophet Muhammad and according to him, his explanation came from Allah.
The hadiths are not to be taken as metaphorical (never) because these are just facts about the life of Muhammad.
You need to take into consideration that you are interpreting the Quran and Hadith on your own and you are ignoring one of the most respected man in the Islamic world (Sahih Bukhari).
Sahih Bukhari is making it very simple for you but you refuse to accept his words.

I believe you are trying to say God didn't know that the earth rotated. I don't believe that for a minute. I believe God likes to communicate with us on a level we can understand and Jesus did that often.

 

[stvdv]

The sunset is an illusion. The sun never "sets", the earth rotates around it's axis, creating the illusion that the sun "sets".

I do not believe it is an illusion. As far as the actual motion goes the earth is rotating but as far as observation goes the sun is setting.
We do not get to observe the rotation of the earth. It is like the rustling of leaves in the trees revealing that it is windy.
The rustling isn't the wind but it is what we can observe to know there is wind.

Definition of illusion: misrepresentation of a “real” sensory stimulu..that is, an interpretation that contradicts objective “reality” as defined by general agreement.

So, as per definition it is an illusion.
Good comparison would be: In the dark you see a snake coiled on the ground. You switch on the light and see it's just a rope