Quran Challenge

[TagliatelliMonster]

Counter challenge: If you can, then replace the two verses I quoted with something else that will keep the Surah as eloquent and intact. Let's see if you can.

How do you objectively measure "eloquence"?

 

[Triumph]

Perhaps there is a point to that.

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 1 Corinthians 1:25

Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge. Proverbs 14:7

He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Note how crafty that false Apostle is. Only fools have foolishness, an inability to make right decisions. Paul calls God a fool.
Almighty power has no weakness. God is not weak, to be weak on any level means lack of strength. There is zero weakness in the creator of the universe.
Paul calls God a weak fool and people do not notice as some even call Paul a saint. Hear that.

 

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How do you objectively measure "eloquence"?

This was talked about in other threads. But eloquence has an existence, and people do study eloquence and there's ways to improve your own eloquence objectively if you study that sort of thing. The thing is Quran is so beyond in that, there is no comparison, and so it's height in eloquence is manifest and clear. It towers above all other speech/writing and in a miraculous way.

 

[Sheldon]

The thing is Quran is so beyond in that, there is no comparison, and so it's height in eloquence is manifest and clear. It towers above all other speech/writing and in a miraculous way.

That's just a subjective opinion, and a pretty obviously biased one at that. However were it the most eloquent of books, this would not make it true. Think of the great works of literature, Shakespeare for example, this does not make his works factual or true.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

This was talked about in other threads. But eloquence has an existence, and people do study eloquence and there's ways to improve your own eloquence objectively if you study that sort of thing. The thing is Quran is so beyond in that, there is no comparison, and so it's height in eloquence is manifest and clear. It towers above all other speech/writing and in a miraculous way.

You didn't answer the question. Instead, you just claimed that "it can be done" and that "the quran is eloquent".

That's not answering the question of how it works.
For example, in what unit is "eloquence" expressed?
And what is the threshold of what humans are capable of? As in a "measure above X, means it is not human"?
And how was this determined?

 

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You didn't answer the question. Instead, you just claimed that "it can be done" and that "the quran is eloquent".

That's not answering the question of how it works.
For example, in what unit is "eloquence" expressed?
And what is the threshold of what humans are capable of? As in a "measure above X, means it is not human"?
And how was this determined?

You should go to a teacher or professor who teaches and talks about eloquence if you are interested. I don't know the details and don't need to, because Quran towers to an extent, I know there is nothing to compare in terms of it's superiority.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You should go to a teacher or professor who teaches and talks about eloquence if you are interested. I don't know the details and don't need to, because Quran towers to an extent, I know there is nothing to compare in terms of it's superiority.

So you don't know how it works, but you know the quran qualifies?

Uhu. Good talk.

 

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So you don't know how it works, but you know the quran qualifies?

Uhu. Good talk.

Yes, you can detect eloquence from language just as you can as a kid detect language without knowing linguistics and details of how language works.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yes, you can detect eloquence from language just as you can as a kid detect language without knowing linguistics and details of how language works.

There you again merely repeating your bare assertion.

 

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There you again merely repeating your bare assertion.

I gave you a point directly related to your query. Take the time to digest it.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I gave you a point directly related to your query. Take the time to digest it.

A point directly related to my query would be an explanation on how to objectively determine levels of "eloquence", and how to determine what the threshold is from where on we can say it is not of human origin.

My claim is that you can't give such an explanation, because "level of eloquence" is ultimately a subjective opinion.