Quran errors ?

[hewwa]

they have sworn by allah with their most earnest oaths that if a sign comes to them they will believe in it. say: 'the signs are in allah' control alone'. what will make you realise that even if a sign did come, they would still not believe? (quran 6:109)

 

[hewwa]

even if we were to send down a book to you on parchment pages and they were actually to touch it with their own hands, those who do not believe would still say, 'this nothing but downright magic
(quran 6:7)

 

[Dentonz]

yeah, well a differnt denomination of christian could argue all they wanted, but the facts all point toward me being right (though whether or not the BoM is right is a different story).

Hello, yep a different denomination of Christian. And I agree with you. What!!!??
I believe the "add" or "take away" parts in the end of Revelation are pointing toward the book of Revelation. Being that, it is the final revelation of God for the end times. I don't mean there will not be any more prophecies, but they all have to line up (agree with) with the Revelation. But as far as the Bible: Gal 1: 6-9 " I marvel that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that would trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached, let him be accursed. ....so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel to you than that you have recieved, let him be accursed."
The Bible is a measuring stick. If it doesn't agree with his Word, it is not of God.
Peace

 

[Aqualung]

Okay, I can go with that.

 

[Merlin]

even if we were to send down a book to you on parchment pages and they were actually to touch it with their own hands, those who do not believe would still say, 'this nothing but downright magic
(quran 6:7)

But that is true of everybody. If God sent down a parchment to you which proved that Christianity was the true religion, you would just say "that is not true, this is just magic".

Very few people want to change their views. the majority of people who read these pages are just looking for positive reinforcement of their own views.

 

[IslamicMuslimah]

and tha tis okay they dont have to be looking for anything more... we are hear toadvise and what they do with the info is on them not us... it is our duties to tell people that have questions bout islam wha tit is and answer the questions honestly and if you dont may allah forgive you for not ansewering improperly... no i cant say i would believe one way or another.. but if allah wrote on a piece of parchment i dont think it would like you are thinking so we would know it would be him

 

[IslamicMuslimah]

and merlin one of the biggest problems right now is muslims want people to know the answer so they will show quran but wont explain it... if you have questions please ask.

 

[Merlin]

and tha tis okay they dont have to be looking for anything more... we are hear toadvise and what they do with the info is on them not us... it is our duties to tell people that have questions bout islam wha tit is and answer the questions honestly and if you dont may allah forgive you for not ansewering improperly... no i cant say i would believe one way or another.. but if allah wrote on a piece of parchment i dont think it would like you are thinking so we would know it would be him

It is a very simple point. The question is: what would have to be shown to you to convince you that Islam was not the true religion? Is there anything? for example, if the Angel Gabriel appeared to you and say you must convert being a Christian, would you do that?

To be fair to you, I suspect that nothing could be shown to almost any of the people in this forum that would get them to change to a different religion.

My personal belief is that you do not have any duty to be an evangelist. Your duty is to your own soul.

I will leave you with another thought: it is possible that all the religions are correct. It is possible that God gave us many routes to find our way to Him.

 

[Merlin]

and merlin one of the biggest problems right now is muslims want people to know the answer so they will show quran but wont explain it... if you have questions please ask.

I have my own copy of the Qur'an. I find nothing fundamental in it that conflicts with the teachings of Jesus. (I would hate to give up my bacon sandwiches though)

 

[Qabandi]

Well merlin muslims in this forum arent here to try and converting chritians becouse thats all in the hands of God , we are here to show you all the proof that you want so when the day of judgment comes you wont say [ I didint know ] .

And as for the so called contradictions , they are ALL misunderstood , let me give you an example . Look at this contradiction i saw in one of the sites :

Eighth Contradiction Swear by the City

Not Swear by the City
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[al-Balad 90:1] And by this land made safe {Mecca}[at-Tin 95:3]Nay, I swear by this city {Mecca}
According to the above the verse [ Nay , I swear by this city [ Mecca ] ] means God doesent swear by the city or God doesent swear by the city , in arabic its [ La oqsimy bihatha al balad ] it means [ NO I swear by the city ] and [ i ] in arabic is [ anna ] and theres no anna in the verse but still its not a command but an action thats God is saying [ NO! i WILL swear by this city ] the verse doesent mean [ I dont swear by the city ] , talk about despreat .


And about this contradiction :

God's Words Don't Change God's Words Do Change[Yunus 10:64] Theirs are good tidings in the life of the world and in the Hereafter - There is no changing the Words of Allah - that is the Supreme Triumph.[an-Nahl 16:101] And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth- they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not.

The verse on the left means [ there is no change in Gods Promice ] coes WORD is KILMA in arabic wich is used sometimes as promice , so Gods promices will never change .

And as for the verse on the right it means that when God tryes to do something STEP-BY-STEP the disbeleavers will say Mohhamed PBUH is a fake and all , as you can see , God didint forbid alcohol at once , no fist God commanded muslims not to pray while being drunk , and we all know muslims pray 5 times a day , wich kinda means not to drink at all , and while this verse was here people who drinked alcohol lowered , then when the perfect time came , God forbid alcohol or wine and not to be drinked never.

So this is not a tottal change of Gods word , God simply does everything step by step and if He wanted to do it in a split second he would .

i can go on and on about every single accusation and they are ALL muisunderstood .

 

[Dentonz]

Very few people want to change their views. the majority of people who read these pages are just looking for positive reinforcement of their own views.

Right on brother!! If we wanted to change, we wouldn't be babbling on like we know what were talking about.

 

[Qabandi]

The goal in this topic is that the Quran has no ERROR in it , and i just proved that here , if anyone wants to ignore it , fine , only God guides people to the right path not me or anyone , ive done my job of showing disbeleavers proof , so when they get judged they wont say [ i didint know ]

http://hometown.aol.com/abdulreis/myhomepage/index.html

 

[Merlin]

Right on brother!! If we wanted to change, we wouldn't be babbling on like we know what were talking about.

It would be quite nice, though, if people actually considered that other views 'just might' have merit.

I love the way that each denomination 'knows' beyond any doubt that they are the 'chosen people'. They often quote the same verses of the same Bible but assume those verses apply to them and their priests rather than anybody else's.

If there is one unique path, then by definition the majority of you are wrong. No, it is worse than that, the majority of the world is wrong.

There will be a lot of red faces outside the pearly gates (assuming we still have faces).

It is likely?

Is it plausible, that God would create this vast array of races and creeds and cultures, but only one religion. I ask you, on the balance of probability, is it likely.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Is it plausible, that God would create this vast array of races and creeds and cultures, but only one religion. I ask you, on the balance of probability, is it likely.

That is much like asking if purple Pixie poop is more probable than puce: please stop abusing probability.

 

[Merlin]

That is much like asking if purple Pixie poop is more probable than puce: please stop abusing probability.

I asked if it was 'likely'. There is a difference between that and probability theory.

I actually believe we can learn what God might want from us by standing back and looking at the world for symmetry. Try it.

if God wants us all to funnel down one tiny route in religious matters, why is he not doing the same to all of the cultures and races. If God is happy for people to live in different cultures with a wide variety of different social mores, 'is it likely' that he would want everybody to squeeze themselves into a single narrow belief system (often very westernised)

at least consider the question.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I asked if it was 'likely'. There is a difference between that and probability theory.

Sorry, I thought you said ...

I ask you, on the balance of probability, is it likely.

I erroneously assumed that your reference to 'the balance of probability' was intended to have something to do with "probability". Had I known that the phrase was intended as empty rhetoric, I would have responded differently.

 

[Merlin]

Sorry, I thought you said ...
I erroneously assumed that your reference to 'the balance of probability' was intended to have something to do with "probability". Had I known that the phrase was intended as empty rhetoric, I would have responded differently.

The balance of probabilities an expression that means is it likely when reviewing similar situations. I do not know if you are English, but you are using my language, I don't need lessons in using it.

I am asking you to look with logic at what is likely to be the case if God created a world with any kind of social symmetry (and I accept he may not have done).

Because there is no proof about anything religious, I was suggesting we could look at something that we could see and create a hypothesis from that observation. If God created the cultural and ethnic elements of this world in that way, is it likely he would create religion in a completely different way. Is that easier to understand now?

It wasn't a statement, by the way, it was a question.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The balance of probabilities an expression that means is it likely when reviewing similar situations. ..., I don't need lessons in using it.

Perhaps, ... perhaps not. How many God-created multicultural worlds have you reviewed/experienced to enable you to arrive at some BOP?

 

[TashaN]

The balance of probabilities an expression that means is it likely when reviewing similar situations. I do not know if you are English, but you are using my language, I don't need lessons in using it.

I am asking you to look with logic at what is likely to be the case if God created a world with any kind of social symmetry (and I accept he may not have done).

Because there is no proof about anything religious, I was suggesting we could look at something that we could see and create a hypothesis from that observation. If God created the cultural and ethnic elements of this world in that way, is it likely he would create religion in a completely different way. Is that easier to understand now?

It wasn't a statement, by the way, it was a question.

Allah said:

[13] O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full Knowledge and is well-acquainted (with all things).

(Quran 49:13)

So, according to my dogma this is the well of God that we are different whether white or black tall and short , east or west.

There is another verse where Allah says that he would made all of the same nation and the same dogma but he didn't want to and i may bring the this verse if you want to.

This is a test from God because he created angels from light and they are not like us because God created them and they only worship him alone but we human beings God gave us the chance to choose our well we and Jin (spirits) too.

 

[Dentonz]

It would be quite nice, though, if people actually considered that other views 'just might' have merit.

I love the way that each denomination 'knows' beyond any doubt that they are the 'chosen people'. They often quote the same verses of the same Bible but assume those verses apply to them and their priests rather than anybody else's.

If there is one unique path, then by definition the majority of you are wrong. No, it is worse than that, the majority of the world is wrong.

There will be a lot of red faces outside the pearly gates (assuming we still have faces).

It is likely?

Is it plausible, that God would create this vast array of races and creeds and cultures, but only one religion. I ask you, on the balance of probability, is it likely

.

Your right . The majority of the world is wrong. Many are on the broad path to destruction, only a few are on the narrow way (Matt 7:13-14). Jesus is the only way, not one structured religion.