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Racial Integration in the US: Is it an ever-receding dream....
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Racism isn't increasing, it's just becoming more visible. It's like lifting up a rug and discovering the dirt that had been swept underneath.
It's just an unnatural state... We are tribal, we will never be happy mixed up. Pick a dividing line... religion, politics, whatever... People usually want to live with their people whatever they consider those people to be. That happiest areas in the USA are racially exclusive, religiously exclusive, and politically exclusive. Regardless of what the particulars of that are.
Tolerance is useful when it promotes understanding, but not so useful for successful outcomes or happiness. Forced integration just makes everyone miserable and resentful. I find it humorous that people still find this desirable when every single marker you could track proves otherwise.
Racism isn't popular regardless of this and it's somewhat like chasing a ghost. Whether someone is racist or not the tribal stuff is still going to apply.
Actually, on this issue I place more blame on the left and the media than the right.
For one thing, headlines are so ridiculously written to stoke controversy and create attention.
If a black or white cop shoots a white man
Headline: Cop Shoots Man
(and it remains a local article)
If a white cop shoots a black man
Headline: White Cop Shoots Unarmed Black Man
(and it goes national)
Great the media will get more 'hits' but it is at the expense of people's perceived racial tension level as reflected by this OP.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
That's actually not true as study after study confirms that direct day-to-day contact with differing peoples tends to decrease prejudice.
"Prejudice" means to "pre-judge" and, therefore, is an act of ignorance.
Prejudice is irrelevant, tolerance is useful, forcing people to live with each other isn't. That's all I was getting at. I also don't think you're "integrated" or really anyone else is. People tend to live with whatever they are and I'm cool with it. It's sort of funny to me anyway... Black people are just as likely to want to live with other black folks as white are with white and so on. If the "racial gap" is bridged it's usually on politics or religion... Hence, my notion that it's all tribal anyway. However, even in that case in the USA rarely is that gap bridged on real estate investments.
74x12
Well-Known Member
They want to divide people along ethnic lines and political etc.
So yes it will probably get worse.
godnotgod
Thou art That
But aren't you mistaking security for 'happiness', 'security' being based upon fear, ie 'xenophobia'?
godnotgod
Thou art That
Forced? We ALREADY all live on the same planet. It's called Earth. Integration does not mean you have to have other races inhabiting your living room or basement. Black people (or any people) just don't want to be ripped off and enslaved by any others, just as you would want. Or disenfranchised due to skin color, sex, or national origin, which is our history.
If 'forced' is so terrible, why did Anglos force Mexico to surrender over 1/3 or her northern territories, and force Africans into slavery, and almost kill off the American Indian via brutal campaign of systematic genocide? So they can have their own designated areas of 'happiness'? Think 'Manifest Destiny', and its implications, and you may get a clue.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
It's a primitive division into us (good) and you (bad) whether it be tribal, national, sex-related, religion and so forth. We're slowly growing out of that state.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I have seen a lot of changes to the contrary over my 73 years, plus prejudice is ignorance, not "tribal".
godnotgod
Thou art That
"Primitive division"? Like what's it based upon in psychological terms?
While many are growing out of that state, there has been a backlash and polarization by the powers that be, specifically by those represented by the current administration.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I think it is.
You get a bunch of strangers into a large room of all ethnicities, more often than not you'll see people group together according to their own race. It's an instinctive trait to seek out those who they are most familiar with.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Is race alone the trigger for attraction, or is it culture attached to race? Social behavior within a race is inbred, and so, easy; to go outside of one's race in order to establish communication with another requires a shift of consciousness and mode. This is sometimes referred to as 'breaking the ice'. It is a short journey from the safety of 'my world' to 'our world'. The Unknown can be regarded with fear, or as an opportunity for growth.
Cacotopia
Let's go full Trottle
Shoulda happened right after the abolishment of slavery. Would have avoided this quagmire altogether.
CruzNichaphor
Active Member
Evolution.
It seemed that we were on the right track and making progress through the 70s and 80s, as barriers were being broken and racial tolerance was gaining momentum.
But somewhere in the late 80s/early 90s, the direction seemed to take a different course. Group identity politics appeared more prevalent over individualism. It also appeared that the people (in both parties) favored a more dog-eat-dog, predatory economic system which made class divisions more pronounced. So, it was probably a combination of factors, both class and cultural divides, which led us to the point you're referring to ("current trends and events").
You mean because Black and other minority unemployment is at record lows?
Cacotopia
Let's go full Trottle
disagree. I would say environmental stimuli.