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Racism and Prejudice

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
In my business, I'm prone to over-engaging my customers in discussions about economics, politics & everything else under the sun.....except feelings....I don't do feelings. Anyway, sometimes when black folk tell me they're under-represented in gov't, I ask them which party the belong to. (The answer is a statistical certainty here.) Then I (white, except for the Scottish blood) explain how they have far more power than I do. Their party wins elections, & until recently, controls government. We Libertarians are a far smaller minority, sitting on the sidelines while everyone throws brickbats at us...if we're lucky enuf to attract anyone's attention. Race ain't everything. Gawd, I like my customers! They do business with me in spite of inappropriate & potentially incendiary talk.
 

Kathryn

It was on fire when I laid down on it.
As the mother of four beautifulf biracial children - who most people probably categorize as "black" - I can tell you that I encourage my kids to buck the system - to upset the apple cart. In other words, whatever you do - do NOT embody a stereotype. This does much more harm than good - not only to yourselves, but to every other person of color.

My kids are great. Unique, individual, unexpected - fabulous.
 

Maimonides

The mad Neuroscientist
In my business, I'm prone to over-engaging my customers in discussions about economics, politics & everything else under the sun.....except feelings....I don't do feelings. Anyway, sometimes when black folk tell me they're under-represented in gov't, I ask them which party the belong to. (The answer is a statistical certainty here.) Then I (white, except for the Scottish blood) explain how they have far more power than I do. Their party wins elections, & until recently, controls government. We Libertarians are a far smaller minority, sitting on the sidelines while everyone throws brickbats at us...if we're lucky enuf to attract anyone's attention. Race ain't everything. Gawd, I like my customers! They do business with me in spite of inappropriate & potentially incendiary talk.

Well actually most blacks aren't even registered in the parties they support, heck most people aren't even registered! People vote their parties not register as one. Why is this important? Because usually information on the party you are registered with can give you more in-depth information on some of the laws or other political benefits they're trying to have passed. I agree race isn't everything, however tell that to our gov't who in the census have to identify race, or jobs which specifically ask for your race, or the many academic institutions want to knows the ethnic demographics occupying their institutions.
 

Maimonides

The mad Neuroscientist
All I'm really asking is look at the historical causality of attitudes. This seems to be a hard thing (no offense to anyone) I am a psychologist before an argumentative person.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well actually most blacks aren't even registered in the parties they support, heck most people aren't even registered!
I've never asked anyone if they're registered. But most know with whom they identify.

I agree race isn't everything, however tell that to our gov't who in the census have to identify race, or jobs which specifically ask for your race, or the many academic institutions want to knows the ethnic demographics occupying their institutions.
I do tell that to my gov't. I don't cooperate with census types. My personal info isn't any of their ************************* ******* ****** business.
 
I'm willing to incline and agree that stereotypes are in fact indirect survival mechanisms based on experience. However, and historically I mention this is that African-Americans are such (prejudice, stereotypes of others) based on reciprocal fashion. Remember, historically African-Americans were broughyt here by the thousands and mutiplied buy the millions and were hanged, burned, tortured, raped.

I remember in undergraduate study learning about capitalism which a lot of white protestants believe in say in an excerpt I read that "blacks are in their position because of their circumstance, which they caused" well the circumstance in America which blacks didnt cause historically is that blacks came, and were freed in a disadvantaged position. Civil War? One of the early criterias to be free was to fight in the civil war. even after blacks were freed blacks were treated unequally. So you understand that decades after decades of disadvantages and racism experienced by blacks, asians, and latinos (I exclude Irish since they can and have passed for white and there is no distinct phenotypical difference from the American majority) would cause blacks to socialize themselves to be stereotypycial against the majority.

At USC (Univ. of souther California) we call white media that which is an unfair portrayal of minorities in stereotypical fashion which will instill a crystallized messaged of how one minority group will act. Hence the clutch of a purse or the locking of a car door. It is possible to actualize a self-fulfilling prophecy if it is believed, and unfortunately blacks have fulfilled this stereotype by the disadvantages given. Obama is no excuse actually since, many (whites) have trivilized his presidency by identifying his bi-0racial background) so until we dont trivialize it we cannto acheive success beyond someones phenotype.

I'm not justifying reverse racism only identifying the precursors......Blacks didnt immigrate here to be racist, nor was North America the origin of African-Americans. Although stereotypes in naturalistic fashion such as classifying veggies and dangerous animals beneficial, I highly doubt classifying blacks, with rap, guns, "sluts and hoes" hardly a survival mechanism. In fact I am willing to challenge your position as to how stereotypes upon an ethnic class beneficial to survival because in fact I am willing to say that stereotyping over a million or so human beings on the basis of media projection or even .000001% per experience isn't valid to classify anyone based on their phenotype. In fact, as an African-American and future doctor of psychology I am willing to go as far and say that such comments are the result of validating one's prejudices.....Of course I don't view that of you but making a moderate challenge to your position.

Following the example of one of the Little Rock Nine, I see. :yes:
 

Maimonides

The mad Neuroscientist
Racism is a natural instinct, when different cultures meet there are sparks all over.

You are referring to tribalism not modern racism, both are quite different. Racism is not natural especially when the construct of racism is focused on a person's phenotype.
 
I just recently watched a you tube video of a black chinese girl who was asked to rap on stage. Now, she is if dark skin and noticeably bi-racial with her beautiful brown skin, however it dawned in me that stereotypical racism is an ever existing trait.

I understand that every human on earth is prejudice whether it comes to favorite foods or favorite colors, we all have some sort of preference over others. There is nothing wrong with trivial prejudices so long as those prejudices don't produce irrational behavior towards others-which of course leads to racism. I am no social psychologist however research has shown that on matters of ethnic minorities caucasians are more likely to make stereotypical inferences to others based on portrayals in media (news included). The study also goes on to show that minorities who are perceived to be stereotyped will develop a sense of continued impressions of being stereotyped and discriminated against (ex. You following me around cause I am black).

I know for myself I have been and continually become a victim of prejudice and racism. For instance when teaching my psychology 101 class, the first thing I ask students is "what type of music do you think I listen to?" Resoundingly the class would say "rap." I would then ask why? What about my suit and tie would people infer that I listen to rap? A few students would say my demeanor (I am unorthodox when I teach) a couple kids with no real reason would say "I look like I do." But these inferences of what type of genre of music I listen to is not a spontaneous phenomena but through the conditioned mindset of society. Of course I can't blame my kids for answering the way they do. In America and depending on where you live, African-Americans typically listen to R&B, rap, or hip-hop. However what is perplexing is those same types of associations are also the same type of behavior people use when acting out their prejudices against people of color. It becomes racist when such discriminatory acts become realized through actions of intentional isolation based on a persons pigmentation.

So the question remains, what does everyone think of this subject? Any thoughts?
I do not totally agree with you, when you say it is alright to have trivial prejudices, my prejudices are quite out spoken and pronounced, for example I take a obvious dislike against the generic Latin mentality they often unconsciously display by racial traits that they inherited when the Latin church took away Indian rights through the Spanish conquistadors, that mentality being that they think anything you do is bout them or for then not on my watch, I do get that same insulting mentality from young want to be southernits and national socialist followers even the black wannabee ones who also think that I am trying to be like them, to to which I say hell NO, note the combat jacket , black beret and Nihilist mentality used as a weapon only to dispute what your southerist/socialist ideology stands for anyway I digress' I do not listen to rap/hiphop No and take an extreme and radical view against the predictable white negative stereotyping of the black persons being a crack dealer/ drug pusher /pimp chasing white girls everywhere like some fever bitten love sick child looking for its puppy and saying that I exempt the African American because no one here in England has ever seen strange fruit hanging from the trees and yes I do blame kids for the way they think here because they are product of racism, example the little white kids think that I follow 1st nations religion to please them like some entertainment game and thus some of the white women assume like wise, causing total insult to religious and cultural belief giving me a response of warning fr making a wave for people I did not put on, Yesterday I was in Morrisons and whilst waiting in the self service checkout line three wannabee Latino/Wannabe Elvis look alike (Elvis half Cherokee growing up and through his life and music career until he made it big experienced racism from whites, the late & great Elvis probably in the jungle room right now with some sweet hot red skinned mama) so these two tin tin hair cut idiots made a comment regarding my an Indio hermano I know well, now this only happened because they think what I do is bout them not on my time and the only reason they were following me was because of racism, my usual response is to go back to the shopping isle return with a ketchup bottle then if he keeps getting funny or not then proceed to pound one of their faces until such time he or she passes out or until I am caught on the scene of the crime which to me would not be crime however so far though it has just been a good old fashion face stomping to the wannabe supremacist Spaniard, I don't think you can talk this thing trough all the time and it takes extreme action to deal with this certain sorts of racism, I am under the sun I do as I please and I when it comes to politics that boasts domination, I am ready then and take a nihilistic stand point just as a weapon to fight you. racism is as old as horses and I have fought and been incarcerated a few times for fighting against white racism on a personal level, I even got honor and respect from some whites in the slammer for making my stand and it may not be the last time yet. there is no nice and gentle way to deal with this sort of racialism and do bare in mind that some of these racist people have their own blacks or whatever that follow them and do their bidding, some even listen to rar/hiphop, as for me I am still stuck back in the 70s to mid 80s where all the doctrine are from ex forces leaders turn nihilist/activist/ radical/liberation, the Leonard Crow Dog's The Ch Guevara's, the Huey Newton they were all right about what they said they against what you all say.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
You are referring to established stereotypes, prejudices, etc, I am willing to go farther back and say such beliefs resorted from our fueding ancestors against other, perhaps, non-human tribes (ex. Neanderthals).
… but that would be a remarkably silly and baseless contention.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
all the races which are different than the white Nordic race are discriminated or seen with diffidence.

as if we had bad genes or something like that. well...that's why I would never feel comfortable having Nordic people as friends.
I would prefer to have blacks and Latinos as friends (I'm Mediterranean), if I lived in a multiracial society like the American one.

I don't want to sound judgmental but ALL Nordic people have prejudices, even if unconsciously and unwillingly, towards the "inferior" races.
 
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Wirey

Fartist
I just recently watched a you tube video of a black chinese girl who was asked to rap on stage. Now, she is if dark skin and noticeably bi-racial with her beautiful brown skin, however it dawned in me that stereotypical racism is an ever existing trait.

I understand that every human on earth is prejudice whether it comes to favorite foods or favorite colors, we all have some sort of preference over others. There is nothing wrong with trivial prejudices so long as those prejudices don't produce irrational behavior towards others-which of course leads to racism. I am no social psychologist however research has shown that on matters of ethnic minorities caucasians are more likely to make stereotypical inferences to others based on portrayals in media (news included). The study also goes on to show that minorities who are perceived to be stereotyped will develop a sense of continued impressions of being stereotyped and discriminated against (ex. You following me around cause I am black).

I know for myself I have been and continually become a victim of prejudice and racism. For instance when teaching my psychology 101 class, the first thing I ask students is "what type of music do you think I listen to?" Resoundingly the class would say "rap." I would then ask why? What about my suit and tie would people infer that I listen to rap? A few students would say my demeanor (I am unorthodox when I teach) a couple kids with no real reason would say "I look like I do." But these inferences of what type of genre of music I listen to is not a spontaneous phenomena but through the conditioned mindset of society. Of course I can't blame my kids for answering the way they do. In America and depending on where you live, African-Americans typically listen to R&B, rap, or hip-hop. However what is perplexing is those same types of associations are also the same type of behavior people use when acting out their prejudices against people of color. It becomes racist when such discriminatory acts become realized through actions of intentional isolation based on a persons pigmentation.

So the question remains, what does everyone think of this subject? Any thoughts?

I think you're assuming too much. What makes you so certain she was asked to rap just because she had brown skin?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
all the races which are different than the white Nordic race are discriminated or seen with diffidence.

as if we had bad genes or something like that. well...that's why I would never feel comfortable having Nordic people as friends.
I would prefer to have blacks and Latinos as friends (I'm Mediterranean), if I lived in a multiracial society like the American one.

I don't want to sound judgmental but ALL Nordic people have prejudices, even if unconsciously and unwillingly, towards the "inferior" races.
Translation:
I despise people of that race because they're all racist & less attractive.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Uhm this was 4 years ago you are all answering to a user who has been gone for 3 years. :D
I suspect that the new RF software is reanimating these threads by suggesting them in the <Similar Threads> list below. Who cares if the poster is gone...it's a chance to opine & argue! (I hope my advice column starts up again.)
 

Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
I don't despise them. It's just that if someone feels diffidence or prejudice towards me, they can't get admiration in return.can they?
How do you ascertain whether or not someone feels prejudice towards you?

Your assumption that all white/Nordic peoples are racist is highly prejudiced and racist itself.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
all the races which are different than the white Nordic race are discriminated or seen with diffidence.

as if we had bad genes or something like that. well...that's why I would never feel comfortable having Nordic people as friends.
I would prefer to have blacks and Latinos as friends (I'm Mediterranean), if I lived in a multiracial society like the American one.

I don't want to sound judgmental but ALL Nordic people have prejudices, even if unconsciously and unwillingly, towards the "inferior" races.
Because only caucasians perpetrate racism and are never the victims of it... :rolleyes:
 
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