Racist Red Chinese President visits Iran, calls for destruction of Israel as we know it.

[AsianActivist]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Asian.Alliance.vs.China/permalink/1018114878280928/

Racist, fascist China thinks that they have the right to meddle with Israel's affairs. Well, Israel belongs to the Jews. ALL OF IT. Not a single inch for Palestinians.

And this is extremely hypocritical for China to call for the creation of a "Palestinian" state in the light of history when China occupies Tibet, East Turkestan, Hong Kong, Inner Mongolia, Macau, Manchuria, and is stealing land from the Philippines.

The world needs to boycott China and do so now!

 

[Quetzal]

Meddling in things that aren't their business? Psh, leave that to the pros.

 

[Quetzal]

Interesting you call China fascist to attack them and then say this. This sounds alarmingly "fascist" and arguably racist.

No "arguably" about it, the statement seems pretty clear to me. Unless, the OP would like to further explain the reasoning behind it?

 

[Quetzal]

I always find it fascinating, the discussion about Israel and Palestine. You see, if any group of people could understand how hard it is to be displaced by tragedy, it would be the Jewish population. Yet, the vehement defense of their claim is always one of the biggest double standards I see in politics. I know it is a very complex issue, but it is worth considering all the same.

 

[AsianActivist]

Goodbye world economy.

Interesting you call China fascist to attack them and then say this. This sounds alarmingly "fascist" and arguably racist.

It's no more racist or fascist than saying that, for instance Zambia belongs to the Zambian people, and that they shouldn't have to give up their land to white colonial-settlers from Europe, or for that matter that Tibet belongs to the Tibetan people. Borders of independent states should be respected.

Israel is the historical, cultural and spiritual homeland of the Jewish people why should they be forced to make concessions to the Arab colonists?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

This is on a site called ALLIANCE AGAINST CHINA....go figure.

There is no necessary correlation between being anti Israeli and being a fascist.

Like most countries china takes sides. It hs recently made considerable efforts to befriend the arab and middle eastern states. This could certainly prove difficult for Israel. Who is seen as being supported by and suporting the USA.

As the holder of much of Americas debt China is in a very strong position internationally.
It tends to back up what it wants with both economic and force of arms. It tends to do as it likes, and wait for others to protest about it..which it simply ignores.

 

[AsianActivist]

I think saying that Israel should only be home to the jews is very similar to Hitler wanting germany to just be german.

False equivalence. The Germans weren't being genocided and massacred by the millions.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

It's no more racist or fascist than saying that, for instance Zambia belongs to the Zambian people, and that they shouldn't have to give up their land to white colonial-settlers from Europe, or for that matter that Tibet belongs to the Tibetan people. Borders of independent states should be respected.

Israel is the historical, cultural and spiritual homeland of the Jewish people why should they be forced to make concessions to the Arab colonists?

It could be argued that the Jewish people have not occupied Israel for the vast majority of the past 2000 years since they were dispersed by the Romans. For most of that time it has ben occupied and ruled by other people.

 

[YmirGF]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Asian.Alliance.vs.China/permalink/1018114878280928/

So, Facebook is a reliable news source now? Learn summin' new everyday....

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

False equivalence. The Germans weren't being genocided and massacred by the millions.

The similarity is that both want their homeland for themselves.
both have been prepared to displace people to achieve this.

However the Holocaust is a Nazi phenomenon with no obvious equal.

 

[Laika]

https://www.facebook.com/groups/Asian.Alliance.vs.China/permalink/1018114878280928/

Racist, fascist China thinks that they have the right to meddle with Israel's affairs. Well, Israel belongs to the Jews. ALL OF IT. Not a single inch for Palestinians.

And this is extremely hypocritical for China to call for the creation of a "Palestinian" state in the light of history when China occupies Tibet, East Turkestan, Hong Kong, Inner Mongolia, Macau, Manchuria, and is stealing land from the Philippines.

The world needs to boycott China and do so now!

I think this would be more effective if you addressed China's occupations and human rights abuses directly. Attacking them for hypocrisy based on moral equivalency can side track the issue.

As an aside rule 9 of the forum limits the ability to push an agenda but very often that deals with the wording rather than the subject matter itself. There are however no restrictions on specific political or religious views points here so there is nothing wrong with bringing up something like Tibetan independence directly to discuss. This forum is very Anglo-American centric so really well informed and thought out topics on the Far East would add some very welcome diversity and that is worthwhile in reshaping members perception of the world. That can serve both to inform members whilst also raising awareness on various issues and problems. There are limits to how far people's views can be changed but a really impressive display of background knowledge can be persuasive in itself.

 

[Flankerl]

I always find it fascinating, the discussion about Israel and Palestine. You see, if any group of people could understand how hard it is to be displaced by tragedy, it would be the Jewish population. Yet, the vehement defense of their claim is always one of the biggest double standards I see in politics. I know it is a very complex issue, but it is worth considering all the same.

Yes. Which is why Israel took the Jews fleeing from Islamic countries right in and gave them the Israeli citizenship.
Which is why Israel continues to help Jews in Islamic countries if they face persecution and death. See the Beta Israel, Yemeni Jews...

 

[AsianActivist]

I think this would be more effective if you addressed China's occupations and human rights abuses directly. Attacking them for hypocrisy based on moral equivalency can side track the issue.

As an aside rule 9 of the forum limits the ability to push an agenda but very often that deals with the wording rather than the subject matter itself. There are however no restrictions on specific political or religious views points here so there is nothing wrong with bringing up something like Tibetan independence directly to discuss. This forum is very Anglo-American centric so really well informed and thought out topics on the Far East would add some very welcome diversity and that is worthwhile in reshaping members perception of the world. That can serve both to inform members whilst also raising awareness on various issues and problems. There are limits to how far people's views can be changed but a really impressive display of background knowledge can be persuasive in itself.

Well noted.

 

[Quetzal]

Yes. Which is why Israel took the Jews fleeing from Islamic countries right in and gave them the Israeli citizenship.
Which is why Israel continues to help Jews in Islamic countries if they face persecution and death. See the Beta Israel, Yemeni Jews...

Excellent points to add to the discussion. I suppose my concern is how hostile Israel is to the Palestinians, given it was their land before the big wigs decided it wasn't anymore. Again, it is a deeply rooted problem that can't be summarized into a forum thread.

 

[Augustus]

Racist, fascist China thinks that they have the right to meddle with Israel's affairs. Well, Israel belongs to the Jews. ALL OF IT. Not a single inch for Palestinians.

Strangely enough, the ethnic Chinese diaspora in Asian countries are treated a little bit like how bigots view Jews in other parts of the world (of course there are many differences also).

Ethnic Chinese are viewed to be avaricious, devious and manipulate the economy for their own benefit and to the cost of everyone else. They are also often the victims of violence when society needs a scapegoat. Sometimes they've even been banned from using Chinese names and practicing their own beliefs.

Many Asians are very racist against their ethnically Chinese compatriots.

 

[MARCELLO]

Excellent points to add to the discussion. I suppose my concern is how hostile Israel is to the Palestinians, given it was their land before the big wigs decided it wasn't anymore. Again, it is a deeply rooted problem that can't be summarized into a forum thread.

Really how hostile is/was Israel to palestinos?

 

[YmirGF]

Really how hostile is/was Israel to palestinos?

Indeed. It's not like the so-called "Palestinians" are hostile to Israel or Jews... or that they would even think of forbidding "Palestinians" from selling land to Jews.

 

[Akivah]

It could be argued that the Jewish people have not occupied Israel for the vast majority of the past 2000 years since they were dispersed by the Romans. For most of that time it has ben occupied and ruled by other people.

But that would be false. The truth is that Jews have almost continuously been residing in that little bit of land for over 2000 years.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

But that would be false. The truth is that Jews have almost continuously been residing in that little bit of land for over 2000 years.

What I wrote is true, it is also true that some lived there in that time, but they were not the rulers they were there on sufferage of those that did rule. But equally Jews were resident in many other countries during the same period.
Until they started returning to the land in an organised way, between the wars, more lived in london, New York or even Germany.

 

[rosends]

I suppose my concern is how hostile Israel is to the Palestinians, given it was their land before the big wigs decided it wasn't anymore.

Just notes for future thought:
1. This is the process by which the Jews who lived there lost their land
2. The idea of "theirs" in terms of Arabs and the land is difficult as there was never any ruling "Palestinian" power. When the Mamelukes or Ottomans ruled, whose was the land?
3. Even the word "Palestinian" is fraught with difficulty.