Re- let me sum it up for you.

[chinu]

1) If god must exist, then god exists.
2) If you think this argument proves the existence of god, then you believe in god, but either YOU WANT to understand this logic.

And that because.. if this would not have been so.. than you would have been enjoying any other topic on RF insted of this.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Oh I understand the logic, it is illogical.

If God wanted us to be able to prove his existence then it would be so and would not require us to apply this lame way of thinking.

My religion requires faith in the unprovable. If you could reasonably prove God's existance then you have taken away the requirement of faith.

"whom so ever that believes in him shall have everlasting life"

If there was proof positive that discounts our belief.

I believe God does not want us to prove he exists but wants us to believe he exists.

 

[Revoltingest]

Here we go again!

1) If you're an atheist, then you don't believe in God.
2) If you believe in God, then you're not an atheist.
3) If you're not an atheist, then you might believe in God.
4) If you might believe in God, then you might be an atheist.
5) If you might be an atheist, then you might use logic.
6) If you might be an atheist, then you might fail to use logic, but erroneously believe that you do...& be get'n all sanctimonious about it.

Ever notice how some of us heathins be always go'n on 'bout logic this & facts that, but they be no all loony & no better'n anybody else?
Those what be all yelling about logic & accuse'n of fallacies be the ones what's all ironical? Embarrassing....so embarrassing.....

 

[Reverend Rick]

I have said it a million times, the Agnostic is the only point of view that applies logic instead of bias.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have said it a million times, the Agnostic is the only point of view that applies logic instead of bias.

Even the agnostic needs no logic to say "I dunnow".
But ignorance is the least wrong of all positions.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Even the agnostic needs no logic to say "I dunnow".
But ignorance is the least wrong of all positions.

Seriously we don't know as much as we would like to think we do.

 

[chinu]

I believe God does not want us to prove he exists but wants us to believe he exists.

That's right.
And welcome to the topic.

 

[Falvlun]

I have said it a million times, the Agnostic is the only point of view that applies logic instead of bias.

Even the agnostic needs no logic to say "I dunnow".
But ignorance is the least wrong of all positions.

Seriously we don't know as much as we would like to think we do.

While I agree with all of this at some level, I do think that there is difference between not accepting a claim for which no evidence has been given and accepting a claim for which no evidence has been given.

 

[Revoltingest]

While I agree with all of this at some level, I do think that there is difference between not accepting a claim for which no evidence has been given and accepting a claim for which no evidence has been given.

I agree. I'd just call it "practical skepticism" rather than "logical".

 

[BiblesBeTrippin]

I just don't see what purpose "God" has in this day and age. It seems like a lot of people just need something to believe in. I do not.

 

[Revoltingest]

I just don't see what purpose "God" has in this day and age. It seems like a lot of people just need something to believe in.

You just answered your own question.

Btw, welcome aboard!

 

[Willamena]

Here we go again!

1) If you're an atheist, then you don't believe in God.
2) If you believe in God, then you're not an atheist.
3) If you're not an atheist, then you might believe in God.
4) If you might believe in God, then you might be an atheist.
5) If you might be an atheist, then you might use logic.
6) If you might be an atheist, then you might fail to use logic, but erroneously believe that you do...& be get'n all sanctimonious about it.

I know I'm in a minority on these forums, but I like to think that a person is an atheist, not because of what they don't believe, but because of what they do believe.

 

[Revoltingest]

I know I'm in a minority on these forums, but I like to think that a person is an atheist, not because of what they don't believe, but because of what they do believe.

There are those too.

 

[BiblesBeTrippin]

@Revoltingest - ha... good point. thank you for the welcome.

 

[Willamena]

There are those too.

Yes; all of them.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Oh I understand the logic, it is illogical.

If God wanted us to be able to prove his existence then it would be so and would not require us to apply this lame way of thinking.

My religion requires faith in the unprovable. If you could reasonably prove God's existance then you have taken away the requirement of faith.

"whom so ever that believes in him shall have everlasting life"

If there was proof positive that discounts our belief.

I believe God does not want us to prove he exists but wants us to believe he exists.

FWIW, my impression is that the meaning of the term "faith" has shifted over the centuries, and what's now taken as something like "acceptance of an idea without proof" was originally meant as something like "loyalty" or "allegiance". We still see this sense of the term in words like "faithful".