Man of Faith
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I think a Muslim would tell you, incorrectly, that Abraham was a Muslim and so was Jesus.
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Real Abrahamic
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I think a Muslim would tell you, incorrectly, that Abraham was a Muslim and so was Jesus.
Bob Dixon
>implying
Well, by the direct translation of the term "Muslim", they're technically right.
I mean, you know as well as I do that neither Jesus, nor Abraham, were Christians. And that's for sure.
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
A race of poeople is not a translation. I can't translate a Jew into a Muslim.
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Muslims aren't a race.
What Bob Dixon means here (I believe; correct me if I'm wrong!) is that the literal word Muslim means "one who submits to God".
In this instance, would you say that Jesus and Abraham were not people who submitted to the will of God, but were Christians, for example? Naturally not.
However, the problem is that now "Muslim" has more weight to it. To be a Muslim now is to accept the Quran, prophethood of Muhammad, and so on.
So it's a sort of "no" and "yes" thing in some instances.
Once again, Bob, correct me if I'm wrong here.
gnostic
The Lost One
I don't belong to any of these religions, but I must say this thread is a demonstration of pettiness and arrogance.
Are all Muslims petty and arrogant like this (I'd sure hope not)? Is this what Islam represents?
Way to go, Aabraham. You've just managed to make Islam look shallow.
Are all Muslims petty and arrogant like this (I'd sure hope not)? Is this what Islam represents?
Way to go, Aabraham.
You've just managed to make Islam look shallow.
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Bob Dixon
>implying
Muslims aren't a race.
What Bob Dixon means here (I believe; correct me if I'm wrong!) is that the literal word Muslim means "one who submits to God".
In this instance, would you say that Jesus and Abraham were not people who submitted to the will of God, but were Christians, for example? Naturally not.
However, the problem is that now "Muslim" has more weight to it. To be a Muslim now is to accept the Quran, prophethood of Muhammad, and so on.
So it's a sort of "no" and "yes" thing in some instances.
Once again, Bob, correct me if I'm wrong here.
I will not correct you because you're not wrong. Anyone who submits to God is, technically, a "Muslim", but...
I know "Mohammedan" is considered politically incorrect, but... it would be so useful for making this distinction!
CynthiaCypher
Well-Known Member
Narcissistic personality disorder
Aabraham ben Azar
Active Member
All Prophets of God were Muslims as they followed God's instructions and obeyed the three pillars so any one who submits to God he is a Muslim ( Salaam, Shalom , Shlama ) = ISLAM.
Aabraham ben Azar
Active Member
you are right Odion that Muslims aren't a race as well as Jews aren't a race and Christians aren't a race.Muslims aren't a race.
What Bob Dixon means here (I believe; correct me if I'm wrong!) is that the literal word Muslim means "one who submits to God".
In this instance, would you say that Jesus and Abraham were not people who submitted to the will of God, but were Christians, for example? Naturally not.
However, the problem is that now "Muslim" has more weight to it. To be a Muslim now is to accept the Quran, prophethood of Muhammad, and so on.
So it's a sort of "no" and "yes" thing in some instances.
Once again, Bob, correct me if I'm wrong here.
If you were a Jew and follow Moses's original teachings you would definitely become a Muslim as well as a Christian who follows Jesus's original teaching properly he would be a Muslim naturally , no doubt as all Prophets teachings and practices same as Muslims regarding describing the oneness or performing prayers to God or having circumcision .
We are the real believers of God , God of Abraham,Moses,Jesus and Muhammed.
Breathe
Hostis humani generis
I'm not sure about that, Aabraham: one could be a very committed Jewish person, following the teachings of Moses to the very letter, but never becoming Muslim.
Likewise, one could follow Christ's message to the very letter, but never become "Muslim" (following Muhammad), even if they are Muslim (submitting to the will of God).
The reason why is because in this instance, the word "Muslim" is not the same as "follower of the religion Muhammad taught". Abraham, Moses, Jesus (if they existed) did not know of Muhammad, because Muhammad was not born yet.
To say "Muslim" now always presupposes following the Quran and Muhammad as a prophet. Can one submit to God without submitting to Muhammad? Well, that's a tough one.
Aabraham ben Azar
Active Member
Thank you for your comment and sweet words !!I don't belong to any of these religions, but I must say this thread is a demonstration of pettiness and arrogance.
Are all Muslims petty and arrogant like this (I'd sure hope not)? Is this what Islam represents?
Way to go, Aabraham.
I have opened a very important subject for all the followers of Judaism,Christinaty and Islam to show them how we the Abrahamic believers have very strong common base as we believe in the same God , and all our Prophets were praying to God in the same way and all of them who were descendants of Abraham were circumcised so their true followers follow them and obeyed their teachings till present.
If all of us ( Jews,Christians and Muslims ) follow our Prophets original teachings in Oneness,Performing Pray and Circumcision you would not be able to distinguish between us as we would perform pray to the same God in a same way in Synagogue,Church and Mosque and there would not be any war or misunderstandings or tensions.
Bob Dixon
>implying
And, in the same breath, you say, "Christians uphold none of the Pillars of Abrahamic faith".
Besides, why do I need to get circumcised in order to follow the teachings of a Prophet? Isn't that just a physical sign of the covenant? I'm not even a descendant of Abraham!