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Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
That all depends. Are you talking about ontological omnipresence or functional omnipresence?
LightofTruth
Well-Known Member
Does anything escape the eyes of the LORD?
His holy habitation is in heaven, but His eyes are everywhere. beholding both the evil and the good. Deu 26:15, Psa 15:3
I believe yes. Since when was omnipresence a deciding factor in the realness of anything let alone a God?
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
That's basically what I meant in my post. He is ontologically present in Heaven, but functionally present everywhere.
Brian2
Veteran Member
I don't know but it helps the job description to be able to hear everyone's prayers.
Fallen Prophet
Well-Known Member
Sure - why not?
"Real" from what perspective?
Psalms 139:5, Psalms 139:8
Isaiah 66.1
How? How can an eternal thing, an infinite thing not be present in all space and time?
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Again, you are speaking of functional omnipresence. On fifteen different occasions in the New Testament, Jesus referred to His Father "which is in Heaven." He never once referred to His Father "which is everywhere." That does not mean that God's power and influence is not everywhere, but it does mean that He resides in Heaven.
The whole of reality. Can reality exist over there and not here; if it's reality? How does an eternal, infinite exist if it doesn't exist everywhere and at all times?
Heaven and hell are states of mind. What could be heaven for one could be hell for another. The chasm between is a difference of view in the observant and not necessarily a change in reality. If I and the Father are one and God the Father resides in heaven, where is my mind? My spirit?
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Maybe for you they are. For me, they are real places. Especially heaven.
I don't believe in the Trinity. I believe the Father and the Son are one in will, purpose, mind and heart. I do not believe they are a single entity. Therefore, the Father can be one place and the Son can be another (ontologically speaking) while together than can be everywhere (functionally).
mind is a real thing.
the self is one thing, mind, body, and force. As above so below. Only that one who came down can ascend. Thy kingdom is become.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Of course it is. It's just not heaven.
then how can two people have two different experiences of the same thing? one heaven the other hell?
revelation 12:12
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I don't think they're the same. If someone is experiencing heaven and another person is experiencing hell, they are experiencing two very different things.
but how and why? how can two witnesses be seeing? hearing? feeling something different about the same thing?
how can tens of millions of people read the same book and come up with 40,000 denominations of one person's teachings?
friendship is two bodies being of one mind. mencius whose version of heaven is the right one?
love is a circle whose circumference is no where and whose center is everywhere.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
Sorry, Fool, but I don't have the foggiest notion of what you're talking about. And something tells me that that's not about to change. I think you and I are just on two completely different wavelengths. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I think we're pretty unlikely to make much headway in trying to understand one another.