I'm asking how two people can be on two different wavelengths if there is only the one, whole reality?
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Nice quote
lukethethird
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Real God
Unlike all those other imposters that those other people believe.
Unlike all those other imposters that those other people believe.
1. If by your definition, the earth, countries, users on RF are "real" , then they are real and not omnipresent.
2. If on the other hand by real you mean satya, sat -- then these examples above are neither real as in Satya nor omnipresent.
The highest Supreme is omnipresent, omniscient ...
Let us take 'a' god as you suggest - the Wind god VAyu, or the fire god Agni.
Is vAyu (gaseous state rep) omnipresent ? Present as far as the bounds of material universe - yes , but also in potential form after the dissolution of the univers
If Agni - fire omnipresent ? present as far as the bounds of material universe, because it is in potent form in places and at times it is not manifest as fire. e.g. fire is embedded in potential form in the wood or fuel, although it is not yet manifest. So Agni can be taken beyond universe into the potential of muLa prakruti.
Since these are parts and aspects of the Supreme Divine, Brahman, this does not apply completely to Brahman, only partially.
Brahman is
--immanent
--transcendant
--omnipresent
--eternal (sat - eternal truth)
--asat (transient states - that undergo transformation , universe etc. exist on the foundation of Brahman)
--neither sat nor asat (muLa prakruti)
No reason for the God of the Bible to be omnipresent because God has a home location as per 1 Kings 8:39,49
So, Heaven is God's home and He hears our prayers while He is in Heaven -1 Kings 8:45,43
God sends forth His spirit to create according to Psalms 104:30; Job 33:4.
Brian2
Veteran Member
Different gods are presented differently in different religions but surely The God above all other so called gods would not be controlled by space or time or anything else. Not being everywhere would mean that He is controlled by space.
Brian2
Veteran Member
Nevertheless the God of the Bible is omnipresent even if the Watchtower denies this.
Psalm 139: 7 Where can I go to escape Your Spirit? Where can I flee from Your presence? 8 If I ascend to the heavens, You are there; if I make my bed in Sheol, You are there. 9 If I rise on the wings of the dawn, if I settle by the farthest sea,…
Acts 17:27 God intended that they would seek Him and perhaps reach out for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. 28‘For in Him we live and move and have our being.’
1Kings 8:26 And now, O God of Israel, please confirm what You promised to Your servant, my father David. 27 But will God indeed dwell upon the earth? Even heaven, the highest heaven, cannot contain You, much less this temple I have built.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
For one thing, would you say then that God is a person? A secondary question is: do you think God has a mind? (thinks, makes decisions)
Easy, space and time are physical, my conception of God is that it is not physical at all, therefore no need for it to occupy any space or time.
Two physical things can't occupy the same space at the same time, so if God is physical and everywhere all the time there is no room for anything else, and all space would be filled with something physical all the time. Yet as far as I know much of space is empty.
How so? Having no physical location would mean my God is unaffected by space and time. My conception of God is that its not physical, therefore in no need of a physical location.
Brian2
Veteran Member
I would agree with your concept of God. God just is and is spirit. He is not over there or over here. But that does not mean He is nowhere, it means He is everywhere in space and time and everywhere outside of space and time.
belief is of no value without realization. faith without works is dead.
living in fantasy land is for those who can't ultimately face reality. but if that is the case, then this is ok too. some will serve those until the journey here is finished.
but the spirit isn't created. that spirit is god's
1 Corinthians 6:19-20
its so nice of you to appoint god a place. be it far from you that god should be so close as one's next heart beat
tell me, we both matter, don't we?
ezekiel 11:19
ezekiel 36:26
revelation 2:17
Yes, the spirit God sends forth (Psalms 104:30) is Not a creation but belongs to God.
So, sent forth holy spirit would be within you which you have from God.
Just as God poured out His spirit on persons at Pentecost - Acts of the Apostles 2
Yes, we matter Ezekiel 11:19; Psalms 51:10
Yes, we matter Ezekiel 36:26;
God cleanses of religious uncleanness and replaces or puts in a 'new spirit ' - Ezekiel 36:6-15 ( be spiritually revived )
That enables a person to be able to cultivate the fruitage of God's spirit as found at Galatians 5:22-23.
That way a person can be abundantly blessed - Ezekiel 36:16-32
So, when a person hears what the spirit says - Revelation 2:7 - they can eat from the tree of life.....
They are ones who conquer - Revelation 3:12
Since we all matter we should all pay attention to what God's spirit says as per Revelation 2:29.
Just Not an end to the journey of the humble meek ones who will inherit Earth forever - Psalms 37:9-11,29; Matthew 5:5
The Abrahamic God is Not omnipresent because God has a home location according to 1 Kings 8:27; 1 Kings 8:39; 1 Kings 8:49
Brian2
Veteran Member
How many deities are there in Abrahamic religions? In theory there is just one.
Brian2
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1Kings 8:26 And now, O God of Israel, please confirm what You promised to Your servant, my father David. 27 But will God indeed dwell upon the earth? Even heaven, the highest heaven, cannot contain You, much less this temple I have built.
The Abrahamic God fills up all things and we cannot get away from Him because He is so big and you use the very verse that tells us that to show that God is not omnipresent. Go figure.
Being everywhere however does not mean that God has put intense concentration onto all points in time and space. God's presence is said in the Bible to be more in one place at times.
Psalm 132:13 For the LORD has chosen Zion; He has desired it for His home: 14 “This is My resting place forever and ever; here I will dwell, for I have desired this home.…
God is going to dwell in Zion forever. That would be when the heavenly Jerusalem comes down from heaven to earth with God and the Lamb present in it forever.
Revelation 3:12, ESV: "The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God. Never shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new name."
See also Rev 21.