Real vs fictious divinity

[mikkel_the_dane]

But it's a real statue.

Here is how I was taught the real meaning of real.

You know a pond, right? A small area of water. Now imagine a pond, it is not a real pond, but it is real that you can imagine it. In the pond are 2 ducks. A real duck and a decoy duck. The decoy duck is not a real duck, but it is a real decoy duck.

The technical problem is that there is nothing real in itself, because it is always real in contrast to something else. And how you use real is always a subjective evaluation of a context. Of course this is only real if you accept it.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

But it's a real statue.

But, but,....

 

[Colt]

There are several million gods on the planet. In what sense "there are no gods"? Are they not real? In what sense are they not real? Describe then what the Real God should be.

Many concepts leading to one God. The faintest flicker of faith is the only requirement for salvation.

 

[questfortruth]

It's a statue.

Who told you, that the statue of god is not god?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Who told you, that the statue of god is not god?

Common sense. You know... or perhaps you don't.

 

[capumetu]

There are several million gods on the planet. In what sense "there are no gods"? Are they not real? In what sense are they not real? Describe then what the Real God should be.

The Bible agrees that there are many gods and lords, but it also teaches there are two real ones, Jehovah and satan. From the Christian perspective we believe that everyone on earth stands with one of those two Gods. Those who choose to stand with Jehovah accepts and does to the best of their abilities to observe His commandments. Those who choose not to stand with Him, automatically stand with satan. That is my understanding of what the Bible teaches on the subject.

 

[McBell]

The Bible agrees that there are many gods and lords, but it also teaches there are two real ones, Jehovah and satan. From the Christian perspective we believe that everyone on earth stands with one of those two Gods. Those who choose to stand with Jehovah accepts and does to the best of their abilities to observe His commandments. Those who choose not to stand with Him, automatically stand with satan. That is my understanding of what the Bible teaches on the subject.

Wait...
Where, exactly, does the Bible teach that The Satan is a god?

 

[questfortruth]

Common sense. You know... or perhaps you don't.

What is common sense?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

What is common sense?

Taking common knowledge and use it to derive rational conclusion.

A statue is an artistic rendition of a thing in that artist's mind. This can be an abstract shape, it can be a real human (like Sylvester Stallone), it can be a fictional person played by a real human (like Rocky Balboa) or it can be a fictional entity entirely (Mickey Mouse).

Whatever it may be, the statue is made from rock, marble, clay, metal,.. or other such materials. They are not the actual things they represent.


One can ask oneselves though, how far gone someone must be mentally, that they require stuff like this to be explained to them.

 

[Valjean]

What's your point, Quest -- that a widespread belief in gods is somehow evidence for gods? Is this an ad populum apology?

 

[Secret Chief]

You are not as cruel as more cruel than you.

You got all the best chat up lines.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You got all the best chat up lines.

Well, that was not my best one. And it is faulty as that.

But in practice objective morality is simple. I am special because my subjective morality is objective and everybody else's is just subjective.

 

[questfortruth]

One can ask oneselves though, how far gone someone must be mentally, that they require stuff like this to be explained to them.

The pagans are of high intellect and they touched their gods.

 

[Nakosis]

There are several million gods on the planet. In what sense "there are no gods"? Are they not real? In what sense are they not real? Describe then what the Real God should be.

I would say a real God would have to be detected independent of human observation.

 

[darkskies]

So if you in effect claim a subjective truth to you as objective for us all, I just do my subjective truth, which is different than yours. That is all. In effect if you e.g. claim everything is X and X is subjective, I figure that out by testing if I can do non-X.

Wait but isn't the other person in your reality? Your subjectivity has nothing to do here, it proves nothing. When you do it objectively in your reality, you are really just doing it subjectively. I can try to paraphrase if you need.

 

[Jimmy]

There are several million gods on the planet. In what sense "there are no gods"? Are they not real? In what sense are they not real? Describe then what the Real God should be.

Infinite space

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Wait but isn't the other person in your reality? Your subjectivity has nothing to do here, it proves nothing. When you do it objectively in your reality, you are really just doing it subjectively. I can try to paraphrase if you need.

The problem is that you are not objective, just because you are not subjectively me.
Reality is not even that simple as it is one case of objective and one case of subjective.
Objective and subjective are not really properties of things. They are relational within reality.

 

[darkskies]

The problem is that you are not objective, just because you are not subjectively me.
Reality is not even that simple as it is one case of objective and one case of subjective.
Objective and subjective are not really properties of things. They are relational within reality.

I know, I did not imply that. I agree with you.
My poin-
Nevermind I made an error. Your statement was absolutely correct. Sometimes my brain gets slow lol.

jk it's always slow

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I know, I did not imply that. I agree with you.
My poin-
Nevermind I made an error. Your statement was absolutely correct. Sometimes my brain gets slow lol.

jk it's always slow

I have it the same way. So I know what you are talking about.

 

[Secret Chief]

my subjective morality is objective

That's cleared that up then.