Reality is a Wavefunction

[Ostronomos]

- In Quantum Mechanics, all particles in the universe are described by a wavefunction.



- The particle properties such as position and momentum have no existence until they are observed.



- The higher amplitude of the wavefunction is the most probable location of the particle.



- The more knowledge we gain about a particle's position is determined by the sum of the waveforms of the wavefuntion.



- Less momentum of the particle is indicated by a longer wavelength of the waveforms.



- The combination of different waveforms give a new wavefunction who's sum equals the different waveforms.



- The wavefunction is described by a real component and an imaginary component.



- The specific energy levels of the wavefunction that are possible are referred to as the electron orbitals of the atom.



Thus we have the first real evidence for the existence of God.

 

[WalterTrull]

In reality, all is described by perception. God is. I have my evidence, you have yours

 

[Jumi]

You're going to have to describe what kind of God do you believe is proven by this?

 

[Ostronomos]

You're going to have to describe what kind of God do you believe is proven by this?

The wavefunction is inherent to a universal mind that goes by the name God. You can think of the universe as a brain/ mind. The parts of that brain/ mind include smaller parts or brains/ minds.

 

[exchemist]

- In Quantum Mechanics, all particles in the universe are described by a wavefunction.



- The particle properties such as position and momentum have no existence until they are observed.



- The higher amplitude of the wavefunction is the most probable location of the particle.



- The more knowledge we gain about a particle's position is determined by the sum of the waveforms of the wavefuntion.



- Less momentum of the particle is indicated by a longer wavelength of the waveforms.



- The combination of different waveforms give a new wavefunction who's sum equals the different waveforms.



- The wavefunction is described by a real component and an imaginary component.



- The specific energy levels of the wavefunction that are possible are referred to as the electron orbitals of the atom.



Thus we have the first real evidence for the existence of God.

No.

A wavefunction is one feature of a man-made model called quantum mechanics, describing how nature seems to behave at the atomic scale. The map is not the territory.

It is a misunderstanding to think that "observation" by a conscious observer plays a role in quantum mechanics. It is measurement, by way of interaction between the system under observation and some kind of detector, that resolves the values of "observable" quantities such as position, momentum, energy etc. Nobody suggests the system behaves differently when the conscious experimenter goes off to get a cup of coffee, leaving the experiment "unobserved".

 

[David T]

The wavefunction is inherent to a universal mind that goes by the name God. You can think of the universe as a brain/ mind. The parts of that brain/ mind include smaller parts or brains/ minds.

So we are disregarding a huge swath of other life on this planet from the discussion,?

 

[Ostronomos]

No.

A wavefunction is one feature of a man-made model called quantum mechanics, describing how nature seems to behave at the atomic scale. The map is not the territory.

It is a misunderstanding to think that "observation" by a conscious observer plays a role in quantum mechanics. It is measurement, by way of interaction between the system under observation and some kind of detector, that resolves the values of "observable" quantities such as position, momentum, energy etc. Nobody suggests the system behaves differently when the conscious experimenter goes off to get a cup of coffee, leaving the experiment "unobserved".

I fail to see how you have refuted the title statement. You claim that the wavefunction is one feature of a man-made model called Quantum Mechanics. And that observation can be considered to be generally a measurement instead of merely sight. But the video clearly explains that the particle properties of position and momentum do not assume any values until observed. Are you saying they are over-exaggerating? Are you suggesting that the universal wavefunction is non-existent? And would that imply no multi-verse? If so I would disagree.

I don't doubt that wavefunction collapse isn't simply granted by the whimsical act of looking. But I take another view as opposed to your idea. I see wavefunction collapse as the participation of the observer as part of the system. this is undoubtedly recognized in the Copenhagen interpretation of Quantum mechanics. It is not simply mass hallucination and hysteria.

 

[exchemist]

I fail to see how you have refuted the title statement. You claim that the wavefunction is one feature of a man-made model called Quantum Mechanics. And that observation can be considered to be generally a measurement instead of merely sight. But the video clearly explains that the particle properties of position and momentum do not assume any values until observed. Are you saying they are over-exaggerating? Are you suggesting that the universal wavefunction is non-existent? And would that imply no multi-verse? If so I would disagree.

I don't doubt that wavefunction collapse isn't simply granted by the whimsical act of looking. But I take another view as opposed to your idea. I see wavefunction collapse as the participation of the observer as part of the system. this is undoubtedly recognized in the Copenhagen interpretation of Quantum mechanics. It is not simply mass hallucination and hysteria.

I think it a mistake to treat a man-made model as ultimate "reality". Science hopes to approximate physical reality ever more closely, by better and better models. But we need always to remember they are just models. History has shown us repeatedly that these models get overturned or are shown to be incomplete in some way.

As for the video, I never watch these - too timewasting- but it is interaction with a detector that "collapses" the wavefunction.

 

[YmirGF]

I think it a mistake to treat a man-made model as ultimate "reality". Science hopes to approximate physical reality ever more closely, by better and better models. But we need always to remember they are just models. History has shown us repeatedly that these models get overturned or are shown to be incomplete in some way.

As for the video, I never watch these - too timewasting- but it is interaction with a detector that "collapses" the wavefunction.

I'm puzzled how Quantum Mechanics has become so profoundly misunderstood.

 

[Ostronomos]

I think it a mistake to treat a man-made model as ultimate "reality". Science hopes to approximate physical reality ever more closely, by better and better models. But we need always to remember they are just models. History has shown us repeatedly that these models get overturned or are shown to be incomplete in some way.

As for the video, I never watch these - too timewasting- but it is interaction with a detector that "collapses" the wavefunction.

Even if you are correct the absence of a physical wavefunction would not necessarily invalidate the idea of God. If anything, the very fact that we have not reached a sound conclusion on it supports a God. I would think that a God would be necessary to collapse the universal wavefunction since human minds are too limited in scope and power to do so apart from locally.

 

[exchemist]

I'm puzzled how Quantum Mechanics has become so profoundly misunderstood.

Quantum woo is very trendy. This short Wiki article refers to it: Observer (quantum physics) - Wikipedia

I suspect it is due to journalists trying to make an obscure subject sound interesting for a lay audience. So they decide to play up the yearning for an element of "mystery", by pretending "observer" in its QM sense means consciousness. But a moment's thought exposes the contradictions. Suppose the conscious observer is a cat - or a wasp! - observing the screen on which the measurement is displayed. Does that collapse the wavefunction or not? It's ridiculous.

 

[exchemist]

Even if you are correct the absence of a physical wavefunction would not necessarily invalidate the idea of God. If anything, the very fact that we have not reached a sound conclusion on it supports a God. I would think that a God would be necessary to collapse the universal wavefunction since human minds are to limited in scope and power to do so apart from locally.

I make no comment about the existence of God.

 

[Twilight Hue]

- In Quantum Mechanics, all particles in the universe are described by a wavefunction.



- The particle properties such as position and momentum have no existence until they are observed.



- The higher amplitude of the wavefunction is the most probable location of the particle.



- The more knowledge we gain about a particle's position is determined by the sum of the waveforms of the wavefuntion.



- Less momentum of the particle is indicated by a longer wavelength of the waveforms.



- The combination of different waveforms give a new wavefunction who's sum equals the different waveforms.



- The wavefunction is described by a real component and an imaginary component.



- The specific energy levels of the wavefunction that are possible are referred to as the electron orbitals of the atom.



Thus we have the first real evidence for the existence of God.

So it's not really a god your saying.

 

[`mud]

Ahhh...`observation` and of course, relativity to a set standard.
What `ruler` can be used to measure the `negatives and positives` of the waveforms ?
I guess in a religious `God's` hand, would be a `ruler` of emmense proportions,
from where the measurement comes.
Who would make the other observation ?
All waveforms are random, even in the Cosmos, even with or without the `Gods`,
or the `particles` within.
There are no negatves or positives in these contemplations.

 

[Ostronomos]

So it's not really a god your saying.

IF the wavefunction does indeed exist then it would imply a God exists.

 

[WalterTrull]

IF the wavefunction does indeed exist then it would imply a God exists.

You inferring the inverse is also true? Oh, OK. I'm just playing with words. I don't follow either argument.

 

[Ostronomos]

You inferring the inverse is also true? Oh, OK. I'm just playing with words. I don't follow either argument.

Wavefunctions collapse by measurement or "observation". So if a human observer collapses local wavefunctions by making measurements, then it would imply that the universal wavefunction is collapsed by God.

 

[WalterTrull]

Wavefunctions collapse by measurement or "observation". So if a human observer collapses local wavefunctions by making measurements, then it would imply that the universal wavefunction is collapsed by God.

Ya know, I just don't follow the quantum argument. I don't disagree; I just don't follow. I'm pleased that some people interpret quantum as proof of God. I have my own proof. The way I relate to your wavefunction thing is that it is similar to:
"Therefore I say unto you, What things so ever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them."

 

[Polymath257]

IF the wavefunction does indeed exist then it would imply a God exists.

How? No observer is required to collapse a wave function. Only a sufficiently complex environment.

There is way, way, way too much misunderstanding of quantum mechanics pushed as mystical nonsense.

 

[Polymath257]

Wavefunctions collapse by measurement or "observation". So if a human observer collapses local wavefunctions by making measurements, then it would imply that the universal wavefunction is collapsed by God.

But that isn't the case. The collapse is produced from the interaction with *any* sufficiently complex environment. And no, the 'universal wave function' wouldn't be collapsed by God, but by any observation within.