• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Reality is a Wavefunction

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member



- In Quantum Mechanics, all particles in the universe are described by a wavefunction.



- The particle properties such as position and momentum have no existence until they are observed.



- The higher amplitude of the wavefunction is the most probable location of the particle.



- The more knowledge we gain about a particle's position is determined by the sum of the waveforms of the wavefuntion.



- Less momentum of the particle is indicated by a longer wavelength of the waveforms.



- The combination of different waveforms give a new wavefunction who's sum equals the different waveforms.



- The wavefunction is described by a real component and an imaginary component.



- The specific energy levels of the wavefunction that are possible are referred to as the electron orbitals of the atom.



Thus we have the first real evidence for the existence of God.
You have a strange writing style and this only proves the existence of the flying spaghetti monster.
 

Ostronomos

Well-Known Member
But that isn't the case. The collapse is produced from the interaction with *any* sufficiently complex environment. And no, the 'universal wave function' wouldn't be collapsed by God, but by any observation within.

Even so, observation is popularly contended to collapse the wavefunction. If the mere act of observation has such effects, then a God would indeed be implied to be the primary observer. I was reading the book The Quantum Labyrinth written by a Princeton professor and it stated that the wavefunction continuously evolves until an observation randomly collapses it in a linear fashion.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Even so, observation is popularly contended to collapse the wavefunction. If the mere act of observation has such effects, then a God would indeed be implied to be the primary observer. I was reading the book The Quantum Labyrinth written by a Princeton professor and it stated that the wavefunction continuously evolves until an observation randomly collapses it in a linear fashion.
No. Observations are not required to collapse a wavefunction. Its an old idea that has been refuted by modern developments. Any interaction with a noisy environment collapses the wavefunction. In a lab setting, these interactions are usually the observation process, so experimental scientists still use that term for convenience.
 

Ostronomos

Well-Known Member
No. Observations are not required to collapse a wavefunction. Its an old idea that has been refuted by modern developments. Any interaction with a noisy environment collapses the wavefunction. In a lab setting, these interactions are usually the observation process, so experimental scientists still use that term for convenience.


Only the act of looking at a quantum object “collapses” its wave function, jolting it from a shadowy netherworld into definite reality.

https://landing.newscientist.com/department-for-education-feature-3/
 

Ostronomos

Well-Known Member
You guys are obviously in denial of the spiritual implications of Quantum Mechanics. Probably because it would render your accepted materialist view shockingly wrong.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
You guys are obviously in denial of the spiritual implications of Quantum Mechanics. Probably because it would render your accepted materialist view moot.

Not in denial of. We know enough QM to say there isn't a spiritual component.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
You guys are obviously in denial of the spiritual implications of Quantum Mechanics. Probably because it would render your accepted materialist view shockingly wrong.
There aren't any. Those of us who actually learnt some QM realise that. It is nothing to do with metaphysical materialism. It is just the science.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
Even so, observation is popularly contended to collapse the wavefunction. If the mere act of observation has such effects, then a God would indeed be implied to be the primary observer. I was reading the book The Quantum Labyrinth written by a Princeton professor and it stated that the wavefunction continuously evolves until an observation randomly collapses it in a linear fashion.

An old view that has been shown wrong. The subject of quantum decoherence is the relevant one here.
 

Ostronomos

Well-Known Member
Yes, there are a lot of really, really bad popularizations of quantum mechanics out there. This is one of them.

These so-called popularizations would suggest that public opinion has more power than scientific theory in deciding how to discriminate information. That is clearly a superficial perspective you're taking to support your argument.
 

Ostronomos

Well-Known Member
Not in denial of. We know enough QM to say there isn't a spiritual component.

To say one knows enough QM is an appeal to authority since only those who have experience with the supernatural and who are intelligent can testify to the veracity of QM as a science having supernatural implications that are not mainstream or popular. Since the science underlies the explanation.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
These so-called popularizations would suggest that public opinion has more power than scientific theory in deciding how to discriminate information. That is clearly a superficial perspective you're taking to support your argument.

Well, you *should* discriminate based on scientific theory. But the view that consciousness co lapses wave functions is the public opinion version.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.



- In Quantum Mechanics, all particles in the universe are described by a wavefunction.



- The particle properties such as position and momentum have no existence until they are observed.



- The higher amplitude of the wavefunction is the most probable location of the particle.



- The more knowledge we gain about a particle's position is determined by the sum of the waveforms of the wavefuntion.



- Less momentum of the particle is indicated by a longer wavelength of the waveforms.



- The combination of different waveforms give a new wavefunction who's sum equals the different waveforms.



- The wavefunction is described by a real component and an imaginary component.



- The specific energy levels of the wavefunction that are possible are referred to as the electron orbitals of the atom.



Thus we have the first real evidence for the existence of God.
So what kind of equipment and controls would be required to conduct an experiment from what you mentioned?
 
Top