Truth informs everything.'Beyond' what?
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Truth informs everything.'Beyond' what?
Science has not clarified it yet, so I will wait - eternal or 'Ex-nihilo', rather than jumping to conclusions.
Something defined in terms of itself is meaningless.
That nothing is encapsulated by words or concepts doesn't prevent definition. Hence, you have attempted to state reality in terms of itself, and now in terms of the encapsulation of words and concepts.No, Reality can never be encapsulated by words or concepts, not even the concept of 'Truth'. Reality is simply 'thus'.
That nothing is encapsulated by words or concepts doesn't prevent definition. Hence, you have attempted to state reality in terms of itself, and now in terms of the encapsulation of words and concepts.
It's okay to define things. Really.
It's okay to define things. Really.
We differ....which is where all the confusion and misunderstanding originates. It is far better, is it not, to silently point to That, to SEE directly, and without thought, what is, rather than to form conceptual frameworks about Reality. I mean, is it apparent to you that Reality is bigger...far bigger, and more immediately present and whole, than the limited mind with which we attempt to define it? You know, the Hindus see Ultimate Reality, or Brahman, as 'Pure Abstract Intelligence'.
We differ.
I don't like the word 'never'. What do we know of future? Perhaps, our generations will be able to decipher truth, what if we do not know it at present. You can't understand reality if it is not put in words and ideas. Mind would convert what you feel in words.No, Reality can never be encapsulated by words or concepts, not even the concept of 'Truth'. Reality is simply 'thus'.
Yeah, at one time we could not understand Relativity and Quantum Mechanics. We understand that better now. Irrationality and paradox are no longer strangers to us.They open up to us a glimpse of a nature which is irrational and paradoxical to the very core.
Consciousness simply SEES directly into the true nature of Reality when it is uncontaminated by thought; mind attempts to define Reality by forming conceptual frameworks about Reality.
As I said above, mind would automatically convert it into words even without your realizing it; then only you would understand. IMHV, 'Pure Abstract Intelligence' is just humbug. (I am a staunch Hindu)It is far better, is it not, to silently point to That, to SEE directly, and without thought, what is, rather than to form conceptual frameworks about Reality. I mean, is it apparent to you that Reality is bigger...far bigger, and more immediately present and whole, than the limited mind with which we attempt to define it? You know, the Hindus see Ultimate Reality, or Brahman, as 'Pure Abstract Intelligence'.
See, he put it in words.A child once asked a monk: "Grampa monk, what color is that tree?"
to which the monk replied: "Why, it's the color that it is"
The same things they are in the dual.
The world doesn't change for having a dual or non-dual ontological image.
It was the realization of what "non-dual" meant. The realization of non-dual is what "transformed my view." I balk at the word "transformed," though. The world doesn't change for having had a realization.
It appears that you are proclaiming "consciousness" prior to and apart from awareness. And I don't think this is logically possible.Before words; before thought; before mind, even, there is consciousness. Consciousness simply SEES directly into the true nature of Reality when it is uncontaminated by thought; mind attempts to define Reality by forming conceptual frameworks about Reality
... And nothing.Truth informs everything.
It appears that you are proclaiming "consciousness" prior to and apart from awareness. And I don't think this is logically possible.
... And nothing.
The truth is 'what is', and that includes what we think is, is, even when we're wrong.
There is no 'what isn't'. Even a wrong view of reality is still reality.
I don't like the word 'never'. What do we know of future? Perhaps, our generations will be able to decipher truth, what if we do not know it at present. You can't understand reality if it is not put in words and ideas. Mind would convert what you feel in words.
Yeah, at one time we could not understand Relativity and Quantum Mechanics. We understand that better now. Irrationality and paradox are no longer strangers to us.
Repeating it does not make it so. "Consciousness" is mindful awareness. Consciousness does not exist apart from mindful awareness. The mind is what is conscious. And awareness defines the state of being conscious. These are not separate ideas; they are logically and functionally integral.Mind not apart from consciousness, but still distinct from it, as it comes into play out of consciousness, already present.
ALL views of reality are "reality, itself". Right or wrong makes no difference. They are both "real".The right view of Reality is Reality itself
Illusion and delusion are both aspects of reality. They are both equally "real". There is no "unreality".... the wrong view is not-Reality, as it can only be either illusion or delusion.
The reality is that a wrong view is just a wrong view. It's not any less "real" for being wrong.The reality is that wrong view is not-Reality. How can it be otherwise?