Why separate plates?
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Just noting that it has little or nothing to do with Torah.I thought it was pretty obvious but if one tiny amount of meat is left on the plate and then you plop down this gorgeous bagel with cream cheese and nova (Yum....) it would no longer be kosher. Are you asking me to look up where these rabbinic requirements came from and how we today use two of everything? I just want to be clear what type of answer you're looking for.
Yes and no Jay.Just noting that it has little or nothing to do with Torah.
Yes and no Jay.
The walls around the Torah are too often built by the well intentioned ignorant, the same type of uber-pious folks who today seek to eliminate the face of women from the streets of Jerusalem while arresting the Women of the Wall for praying at the kotel. May God protect us from this kind of Judaism.And then HaShem spoke to Moses saying:Moshe! Instruct the people of Israel saying: "You shall not boil a kid in its mother's milk!" And Moses replied:Got it! You don't want us to mix meat and dairy products. Right?And then HaShem spoke to Moses saying:Moshe!! Again - instruct the people of Israel saying: "You shall not boil a kid in its mother's milk!" And Moses replied:No problem. After eating something like a burger you want us to wait at least six hours before eating ice cream and the like. Yes?And then HaShem spoke to Moses saying:Moshe!!! One last time - instruct the people of Israel saying: "You shall not boil a kid in its mother's milk!" And Moses replied:I understand. So you want us to be sure not to use the same knife for cutting the brisket that we use for slicing our pizza. True?And then HaShem spoke to Moses saying:MOSHE !!!! ...Oh ... never mind ... do it your own way.
Talk of who's "more religious" strikes me as more than a little silly.
So what would you imply is the meaning of keeping kosher?The walls around the Torah are too often built by the well intentioned ignorant,
Okay, I'll play along...the same type of uber-pious folks who today seek to eliminate the face of women from the streets of Jerusalem while arresting the Women of the Wall for praying at the kotel. May God protect us from this kind of Judaism.
I'm not a big fan of woman being denied the right to read from the Torah, but I understand why they are not allowed.The court ruled that women are prohibited from reading from the Torah at the Wall itself because doing so goes against traditional norms of Jewish prayer and could incite ultra-Orthodox Jews to violence.
The question (while interesting) is irrelevant. The point is that "keeping kosher" has ventured so far beyond the Torah as to become laughable.So what would you imply is the meaning of keeping kosher?
Okay, I'll play along...
I assume you're referencing this... Woman Arrested For Carrying Torah Near Western Wall
If you were making the argument that women be allowed to pray at the wall, I support that. I don't support trying to change the laws by breaking them.
I guess we just agree to disagree on that point.The question (while interesting) is irrelevant. The point is that "keeping kosher" has ventured so far beyond the Torah as to become laughable.
I had not read or seen that article, but if you are looking for me to endorse that, I would not. I don't agree with that. I think in some ways, things have gone too far. At the same time, even you wouldn't agree with advertisements like this. That was the first google search item I found. There are much much worse that I've seen on TV and driving around.
I assume you're referencing this... Woman Arrested For Carrying Torah Near Western Wall
I'm not a big fan of woman being denied the right to read from the Torah, but I understand why they are not allowed.
It is no different then the U.S. not allowing the KKK to walk down the streets of southern Chicago.
Heschel's book I love ... this not so much.What are your thoughts on the Sabbath?
The KKK are not legally or constitutionally prohibited from walking down the streets of southern Chicago. They may face restrictions that any group faces when trying to organize a large public event, but it certainly isn't because of the type of event they're having.It is no different then the U.S. not allowing the KKK to walk down the streets of southern Chicago. Or yelling Fire in a crowded movie theater. There are laws against doing things for the sole purpose of causing issues.
I don't support trying to change the laws by breaking them.
Why separate plates?
In later times, when pottery glazing and metal production had improved enough that for the most part the ta'am is not a literal physical permanent or cumulative transmission of food essence, later halachists still uphold the separation of dishes, but they treat the concept of notein ta'am more metaphysically, IMO; like an extension of tum'ah and taharah (ritual impurity and purity) almost.
It's true that this all seems a little withdrawn from the pshat of the Written Torah text-- even the Rabbis admit in the cases of kashrut and melachot Shabbat (the halachot of work on Shabbat), "hakol talu'i b'chut ha-se'arah." "The whole enterprise hangs on a single strand of hair." But these are just examples of how Written Torah and Oral Torah are halves of a whole, and sometimes the halves can be a bit unevenly divided.
Yes. As is arresting women at the wall.It's true that this all seems a little withdrawn from the pshat of the Written Torah text ...
Yes. As is arresting women at the wall.
Then why is it problematic for the law to change? If there is not a cumulative transmission of food essence because we know in the modern world that the production of metal and glazing has changed so that there is not transmission then why does it stay the same ?
TraditionThen why is it problematic for the law to change? If there is not a cumulative transmission of food essence because we know in the modern world that the production of metal and glazing has changed so that there is not transmission then why does it stay the same ?