Reasons For Setianism

[Sutekh]

I have also wanted to make a post on Set on RF however it may perhaps sound a bit silly, but I have perhaps wanted to ask some Setians this on Set. I believe that Set can be best invoked at night, however understanding that many Setians are creative in Ritual I was curious on how would some of you regard this approach? Would you not care, but instead invoke him in the mornings? Or in the Afternoon?

(note) I normally do not ask those types of questions as much on RF, I believe that you are on your own path without asking for advice as guidance.

 

[1137]

I have a question to my fellow Setians, it is perhaps weird for me to sense Set and wanting to work with him. I have always found Setianism to be interesting but complicated at the same time. However I am curious about the afterlife in the Setians point of view. I personally do not believe in an afterlife myself, but I was always curious how the Setian approaches the afterlife.

I think that the individual Self can survive death if it is strong enough,or perhaps immortality can even be awarded to those who strengthen themselves without even coming to ponder Set.

I found this very interesting article recently (attached).

I have also wanted to make a post on Set on RF however it may perhaps sound a bit silly, but I have perhaps wanted to ask some Setians this on Set. I believe that Set can be best invoked at night, however understanding that many Setians are creative in Ritual I was curious on how would some of you regard this approach? Would you not care, but instead invoke him in the mornings? Or in the Afternoon?

(note) I normally do not ask those types of questions as much on RF, I believe that you are on your own path without asking for advice as guidance.

Set is associated with nighttime in a cultural context, which Set transcends. There's a nice little catchphrase: when you think of Set, Set thinks of you.

 

[Onyx]

I have a question to my fellow Setians, it is perhaps weird for me to sense Set and wanting to work with him. I have always found Setianism to be interesting but complicated at the same time. However I am curious about the afterlife in the Setians point of view. I personally do not believe in an afterlife myself, but I was always curious how the Setian approaches the afterlife.

@Sutekh, I've been very curious myself lately and therefore have done a lot of research and experimentation. Some long-standing fog is beginning to lift, but not everything is clear to me yet.

Concerning an afterlife, I can't say for sure. When I wrote my first Invocation of Set, I did so very late at night in almost complete darkness. These are the words:

Prince of Darkness
Origin of Consciousness
Master and Keeper
Of the Infernal Flame

May Your Gaze Be Upon Me
Until the Time Arrives
For Our Dark Flames to Unite
And the Great Working Finished

(The term "Unite" here is being used in the context of an eternal companionship.)

The text is very short, and has a vague overall theme of a purpose in life, and possibly one in death. However, I'm starting to take both comfort and pride in that I might matter more to the grander scheme of the universe than I once thought.

So I continue to explore...

 

[Sutekh]

Your religion lists 'satanism', yet you just called yourself a 'setian'?


why?

I do not consider myself a Setian in anyway. But I adhere to Satanism primarily, however I also enjoy exploring other philosophies and religions of the WLHP in general. I primarily find some of the Egyptian religion and deities interesting. You may perhaps find this confusing, but to some extent I have more or less evolved, I have gained knowledge primarily by doing studies on various philosophies and religions on the Left Hand Path, and also applying some various rituals in general. Do I primarily believe in Set, well to some extent I am starting to more or less come to that conclusion in general. I have perhaps been having experiences where I would feel a change occurring among me in general. You may not perhaps understand the way my mind works, but I have experienced and felt things occurring in me.

 

[Ahanit]

I have a question to my fellow Setians, it is perhaps weird for me to sense Set and wanting to work with him. I have always found Setianism to be interesting but complicated at the same time. However I am curious about the afterlife in the Setians point of view. I personally do not believe in an afterlife myself, but I was always curious how the Setian approaches the afterlife.

I Myself came from the Old Egypt path in whole before I choose Set. Not all Setians take the Mythologie for their statements so this is not a statement for the belief of Setians but mine:
All mortal beings have 4 Parts: The Body, The Ba, the immortal Only true Name, and the immortal Ka. When the Body, the Vessel of the other three Parts dies, the Ba the Living Energy begins to dissolve, and the Name and the Ka begin to disengage from the material World. There are to Possible paths they can go. Through the Paths of the Dead under Protection of Set the God of the outer Lands to the Gates of Duat The Land of The Dead Or afterlve if you want to choose this word.. Or they can choose a new turn in Amduat the Land of the Living. A new Body will be born, a new Ba is breathed and the True name and Ka were bound to the new mortal existance. The Ka has the part of the subconsciousness, the Higher Self. The new Existance has often not the Ability to remember the lives before, but can use the Experience, as Intuition or Deja Vu.

I have also wanted to make a post on Set on RF however it may perhaps sound a bit silly, but I have perhaps wanted to ask some Setians this on Set. I believe that Set can be best invoked at night, however understanding that many Setians are creative in Ritual I was curious on how would some of you regard this approach? Would you not care, but instead invoke him in the mornings? Or in the Afternoon?

It is a Question of Imagination. Do you need Visual Impuls, than the night (best a moonless night) is a good time to invoke. I myself do it when I want or think I need it I transform into the Darkness, I am the Darkness of a moonless Desert night. So there is no need to choose a special Time.

 

[Adramelek]

@Sutekh, I've been very curious myself lately and therefore have done a lot of research and experimentation. Some long-standing fog is beginning to lift, but not everything is clear to me yet.

Concerning an afterlife, I can't say for sure. When I wrote my first Invocation of Set, I did so very late at night in almost complete darkness. These are the words:

Prince of Darkness
Origin of Consciousness
Master and Keeper
Of the Infernal Flame

May Your Gaze Be Upon Me
Until the Time Arrives
For Our Dark Flames to Unite
And the Great Working Finished

(The term "Unite" here is being used in the context of an eternal companionship.)

The text is very short, and has a vague overall theme of a purpose in life, and possibly one in death. However, I'm starting to take both comfort and pride in that I might matter more to the grander scheme of the universe than I once thought.

So I continue to explore...

Here is my Invocation inspired by the one in "Black Magic";

Invocation of Set

In the Name of Set, the supreme manifestation of the Prince of Darkness,
I summon the Black Flame into my midst that I may work my will upon the warp and weave of the world.
O Majesty of Set, hear me, look upon me, and enshrine within me the Essence of the Highest of Life.
Open the Gate of the Blazing Trapezoid and come forth from beyond the Abyss
To greet me as a Brother and kindred Spirit.

Enshroud me with the Powers of Darkness;
Let Them become One with me as I am become One with the Eternal Set,
Whose Throne is within the Darkness behind the Constellation of the Seven Stars.
As I send forth my most exalted and sublime Self arm it with the Shining Pentagram of Set,
And with the Sceptre called Giver of Winds that it may slay the cosmic stasis,
Dismay all challenges, and cast down all that is moved to appear against it.

Let then, my eyes become the Eyes of Set, my strength become the Strength of Set, my will become the Will of Set!
From the primordial depths I am risen up and I am become transformed like the mighty Khepera,
With the Wings of the Falcon I soar the Infinite.
I dwell in the Fane of the Eternal Flame of Ba.
Space and time bend to my Will, and I am Lord of Life, Death, and Life beyond Death.
Hear then, this Doom that I pronounce and beware the Ka which now Comes Into Being
Through that ancient Art which is mine to command!

 

[Adramelek]

I have a question to my fellow Setians, it is perhaps weird for me to sense Set and wanting to work with him. I have always found Setianism to be interesting but complicated at the same time. However I am curious about the afterlife in the Setians point of view. I personally do not believe in an afterlife myself, but I was always curious how the Setian approaches the afterlife.

The concept of life after death I think we can all agree is one of the great mysteries of existence, and is of interest in Setian philosophy. For me personally, I don't know and I am not convinced either way. Perhaps there is such a thing as the immortality of the psyche or soul; perhaps physical life is the vital time of training the soul/psyche for metaphysical immortality? Or perhaps this is it and there is nothing more? These are questions I will continue to ponder from time to time, however, at this time I am leaning more towards the former theory of continuity and ageless existence through perpetual Xeper and Remanifestation of Being.

 

[Adramelek]

I have also wanted to make a post on Set on RF however it may perhaps sound a bit silly, but I have perhaps wanted to ask some Setians this on Set. I believe that Set can be best invoked at night, however understanding that many Setians are creative in Ritual I was curious on how would some of you regard this approach? Would you not care, but instead invoke him in the mornings? Or in the Afternoon?

I prefer to invoke Set at night, after all he is the Prince of Darkness and the god of the Sky by Night, it is Magically symbolic. Set, in the "Book of Coming Forth by Night" speaks the following;

"Speak to me as to a friend, gently and without fear, and I shall hear as a friend. Do not bend your knee nor drop your eye, for such things were not done in my House at PaMatet. But speak to me at night, for the sky then becomes an entrance and not a barrier. And those who call me the Prince of Darkness do me no dishonor."

I don't view this as a "commandment", but out of respect and reverence for him, I prefer to follow his advice and summon the Prince of Darkness at night. If I am doing an outdoor working I find the majesty of the night sky far more awesome, evocative, and inspiring than a day lit sky. Invoke Set in an open area at night with a clear sky far away from any city lights, you'll know what I mean, and what Set means when he says "for the sky then becomes an entrance and not a barrier".

 

[Ahanit]

I don't view this as a "commandment", but out of respect and reverence for him, I prefer to follow his advice and summon the Prince of Darkness at night.

My opinion: There is allways night elswhere on earth, so I invoke the "night" within or better I transform into Xem the Darkness. I don't think that the Time of the Day is a Question of respekt or not, because if you change yourself, the night is everywhere, at every time you wish and so his advice is followed in the same min ute as you use his gift of Darkness

Invoke Set in an open area at night with a clear sky far away from any city lights, you'll know what I mean, and what Set means when he says "for the sky then becomes an entrance and not a barrier".

That is for what I use the Word Chabas: Thousand(s of) stars are her soul. This is the name of Set's Mother in Egypt Mythlogy the name of Nut the Godess of the Skys. Her Beauty can only be seen in the Darkness of the night. (What brings me to the point, last night there was a wonderful moonless view on her)

 

[1AOA1]

Yer, you do get His essential truth and nderstand Him clearly - but I would question one statement - "his religion" - as clearly, He actually came to dismantle and replace ALL institutionalised religions not to start another at all - no middleman priest intermediary needed at all for this INNER process of Self discovery....The religion is a direct hinderance to such an endeavour - fills the mind with false half truth from purely external sources, and this literalluy handicaps us in the search for legitimate Self knowing..The endeavour itself, is of course the search for Gnosis...The SOLITARY and ELECT attain my Fathers rest He said - avoid the temple always - more on that in a moment...

Satans Serated Edge;

Would that apply to all places where people gather on a specific day or days of the week and listen to a leader speak?

 

[Adramelek]

My opinion: There is allways night elswhere on earth, so I invoke the "night" within or better I transform into Xem the Darkness. I don't think that the Time of the Day is a Question of respekt or not, because if you change yourself, the night is everywhere, at every time you wish and so his advice is followed in the same min ute as you use his gift of Darkness

That is for what I use the Word Chabas: Thousand(s of) stars are her soul. This is the name of Set's Mother in Egypt Mythlogy the name of Nut the Godess of the Skys. Her Beauty can only be seen in the Darkness of the night. (What brings me to the point, last night there was a wonderful moonless view on her)

I am reporting you Ahanit for your brilliant Setian perspective and understanding.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

1AOA1 ;

Would that apply to all places where people gather on a specific day or days of the week and listen to a leader speak?

Hmm....Its a lot LOT more complicated than just that though...If that leader was a "dictator" or if there is strict dogma and doctrine to adhere to - rituals and heirachy - any form of superiority or elitism - then that form of institution is more of a hinderance than a gain, in terms of spiritual progression...For a start - the written rules and doctrines are from MAN - even if at first they were legitimately Divinely inspired, still, now - they are SECONDHAND,academic knowledge from a book - the way they are taught MAN to man - means inevitably that those receieing such teachings are always going to recieve only a limited perspective that the TEACHER holds,and not the whole or complete truth as it was delivered..To follow man, external source, is always to be led somewhat off track - we may end up with THEIR truth - but this is usually not he "whole truth"..

This Primal Spirit we seek - this process of Creation we seek to understand - here it is called Set - and as I say before, to my understanding now, this aligns perfectly with that which I already know from Christ - WE are ALWAYS a PART pf this great invisible spirit - ALWAYS a PART of CREATION....That Creation itself - comes from a DIVINE MIND - lets not forget that or overlook it ever - crucial Self understanding...WITHIN US - each and everyone - lays a connecting "corridor" - a conduit - a gateway through which INDIVIDUAL MIND can come and go freely,escaping the mundane world of the physical and so DIRECTLY EXPERIENCE these other subtle, astral / spiritual layers to our existance here..

A DIRECT COMMUNION is the vital key to Divine understanding always....All those written tomes and books we have - all came from individuals who themselves DIRECTLY encountered this spiritual other world reality....If we want then to comprehend it as THEY did then we too MUST experience it fo rour Self DIRECTLY - only that direct knowing will satisfy - this is of course - Gnosis - a kind of ultimate Self truth bought ny ther LIVING EXPERIENCE directly...See..?..

The aim of any true spiritual endeavour,is surely to commune individial Soul with this great spirit we seek - and the gateway to achieve this always lay within the silent recess of the mind deep within the Self...So then - to follow an institutional form of religion, is to always hold THAT truth in the mind and it literally captivates the mind HERE at the surface dwelling forever on this surface truth ...Thus the individual NEVER gets to delve within seek out the legitimate pathway and open that crucial gateway to ALLOW legitimate Divine communion..Literally - the doctrines and out ward religion, have prohibited the legitimate inner seeking..

We should understand then - to invoke this Presence within - REQUIRES that we take the thinking mind here - deep deep down through layers of self created reality...Just as my mate said - we must KNOW OUR SELF and indeed, become fully known - literally seek out a silent empty mind - encounter the place of existance BEFORE we begin to create those illusions of self....The mind here MUST be trained to become empty of ALL PRECONCEPTIONS - only in that empty ORIGINAL state can the inner gateway be found - you entered HERE into life in this void empty silent state of MIND - before you started to immediately create the "person" you was becoming - and now we MUST strip all that away - enter that same state again and encounter the Self BEFORE we built those illusions that life here forced upon us.. I assure you from the direct experiences, that Divinity comes forth from SILENCE.......

The mind here becomes - whole - thinking part here at the surface and also the part we call "subconscious memory" - become one UNFIED mind - that change alone is amazing - the religion that falsely bares my mates Name, calls this first step "being born again" - but their truth is always twisted and they fail to understand Him..Once this first union occurrs - broken mind becomes whole - this literally triggers the "gateway" I speak of - allows the Soul to encounter other none physical reality - and its inhabitants of course - Angels / Jinn - very very real Folks...

In such spiritual experiences - TRUE KNOWLEDGE - is delivered - WHOLE AND COMPLETE - and this is best described as " MIND to MIND" - directly - telepathic, fully and legitimately - all at once..To be able to accept this greater mode of Mind - we must of course, first train this limited mortal mind in the manner described - mend it - make it whole - thus it becomes ready for that great "download" of DIRECT input from whatever Divine source you attained communion with DIRECTLY..

There is a huge difference then - between a CHURCH - and a RELIGION - not the same thing at all..A church - is merely a gathering of Souls who share similar experieinces and beliefs...Yes, always come together as a church - share - learn from ONE AND ALL..Even this forum here IS a church in its own standing. do you see..??....

But - a religion - an institution - is to be avoided - it is a POWER STRUCTURE where the thing you are to believe and experience, is literally dictated to you by others who you allow to be "superior"....In this arrangement - no one is following the legitimate inner guide, and so nobody is achieving legitimate spiritual communion....Filliing the mind so with structured doctrine and preconceptions of truth is the very opposite of that which we actually need to do to achieeve legitimate personal communion ..