Rebels or Syrian Army ?

[Aquitaine]

It's take time .

Secular constitution could apply on majority of secular population .

For my country and many others country , there is grant of rights to all , and perfect freedom of speech in Arab world, inspite majority of 98% of Muslims !

"Perfect freedom of speech"? So one can openly criticize Islam/Allah/Mohammad without penalty?

 

[Godobeyer]

"Perfect freedom of speech"? So one can openly criticize Islam/Allah/Mohammad without penalty?

Since most of population are Muslims 89% , that would be not wise act.

I don't think criticizing Islam include in our "freedom of speech" .

EDITED : btw we can criticize ISIS or some scholars .

I politics I can criticize everyone including the President ,and there is no restriction of websites .

 

[Shad]

Hello all

I get the inspiration of the idea from thread made by friend @PopeADope

Syrian criss which creat ISIS and world refugees problem .
what do you think about it's future results of this war ?

Please avoid the anti-Muslims comments to generalizing, and hatefull speechs

I prefer neither. The Syrian leadership started the civil war by ordering the killing protesters which the army had no issues in following. These leaders, generals and soldiers should face war crime charges. Too many of the rebels have agendas that are not about Syria but about ideologies that are often religiously motivated, lack any sort of political goals beyond the war, are not unified enough for me to believe any sort of unified government can form in the aftermath. Many should also face charges of war crime. Having either of these groups win will be a victory for an ideology not the people of the nation.

I think Syria as a nation is finished. To maintain this post-WW2 constructs without the use of the military butalso foreign aid is not a solution to the problems within Syria.

 

[Aquitaine]

Since most of population are Muslims 89% , that would be not wise act.

I don't think criticizing Islam include in our "freedom of speech" .

EDITED : btw we can criticize ISIS or some scholars .

I politics I can criticize everyone including the President ,and there is no restriction of websites .

The three main avenues of power (in my opinion) are Religion, the Government and Corporations. If citizens cannot openly criticize any of those three, then I do not personally consider them to have freedom of speech.

I guess me and you simply just have different interpretations of freedom of speech.

 

[Godobeyer]

The three main avenues of power (in my opinion) are Religion, the Government and Corporations. If citizens cannot openly criticize any of those three, then I do not personally consider them to have freedom of speech.

I guess me and you simply just have different interpretations of freedom of speech.

Indeed we are different , in religious countries or regions are different than secular onces.

me and My community we don't consider criticize our religion or mock other religions as freedom of speech . we consider it as misrespect.but on contrary you consider it as freedom of speech.

Concepts become different depend the culture and tradition and majority/minority.

 

[Aquitaine]

Indeed we are different , in religious countries or regions are different than secular onces.

me and My community we don't consider criticize our religion or mock other religions as freedom of speech . we consider it as misrespect.but on contrary you consider it as freedom of speech.

Concepts become different depend the culture and tradition and majority/minority.

Indeed. To me, religion is a man-made power construct: an artificial authority. All forms of authority need to be questioned, criticised and even mocked in order to help keep them in-check. The religious zealots of ISIS need to be open to criticism, the regime of Assad needs to be open to criticism, the Halliburton conglomerate needs to be open to criticism etc.
I don't consider it disrespect to criticise Government or Corporate power, the same is true for Religion.

But again, as you have pointed out: different cultures have different ideas.

 

[Godobeyer]

Indeed. To me, religion is a man-made power construct: an artificial authority. All forms of authority need to be questioned, criticised and even mocked in order to help keep them in-check. The religious zealots of ISIS need to be open to criticism, the regime of Assad needs to be open to criticism, the Halliburton conglomerate needs to be open to criticism etc.
I don't consider it disrespect to criticise Government or Corporate power, the same is true for Religion.

But again, as you have pointed out: different cultures have different ideas.

I believe Assad should not open freedom of speech at this moment while he fighting terrorists .
More freedom at this moment mean more terrorism.

for my opinion whats important NOW in Syria is fighting ISIS not criticize the regime ( democraty )
what important for Syrians is guns in hand and fight ., and delay the criticism after winning ISIS and others .

 

[Aquitaine]

I believe Assad should not open freedom of speech at this moment while he fighting terrorists .
More freedom at this moment mean more terrorism.

for my opinion whats important NOW in Syria is fighting ISIS not criticize the regime ( democraty )
what important for Syrians is guns in hand and fight ., and delay the criticism after winning ISIS and others .

Why can't both exist at the same time, after all; what harm is a little bit of criticism going to do?

 

[Godobeyer]

Why can't both exist at the same time, after all; what harm is a little bit of criticism going to do?

I believe they are bussy in war , vote or democraty will come later .

It's like turn up music in battleflied . and want from soldiers and people to listen to it during war,at same time fighting the enemy lol

 

[Aquitaine]

I believe they are bussy in war , vote or democraty will come later .

It's like turn up music in battleflied . and want from soldiers and people to listen to it during war,at same time fighting the enemy lol

Only problem with that kind of idea is that the state can just artificially perpetuate a constant "war", like in North Korea: the people face constant blackouts (amongst other things) because of "American air raids" that aren't actually happening.
You can fight ISIS and criticize the use of barrel bombs at the same time.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I hope neither the Syrian Government nor the rebels (the various jihadist groups; I mean do the secular rebels even exist any more?) win outright. I hope they beat each other bloody and are left too exhausted to fight. I hope the Kurds on the Syro-Turkic border manage to repel both Islamic State attacking them on the ground and do something about the Turkish cowards shelling & dropping bombs on them. It's about time the Kurds had their own nation.

 

[Godobeyer]

Only problem with that kind of idea is that the state can just artificially perpetuate a constant "war", like in North Korea: the people face constant blackouts (amongst other things) because of "American air raids" that aren't actually happening.
You can fight ISIS and criticize the use of barrel bombs at the same time.

barrel bombs are effective weapon to face ISIS and others , most of war land are empty of civilians .

sometimes ISIS make crimes or errors (bombs explosed acidents) but accuse Syrian army for that !

 

[Aquitaine]

barrel bombs are effective weapon to face ISIS and others , most of war land are empty of civilians .

sometimes ISIS make crimes or errors (bombs explosed acidents) but accuse Syrian army for that !

Do you have a source for the majority of the war being fought away from civilians?