Redefining Marriage and all that

[Draka]

rheff, you don't like what I brought? oh well. it is just as silly as yours then. You wanted to make out like it was all about majority. I was just stating that, if majority rules, then there are more gods that are believed in in this world that don't have issue with homosexuality than your one minute little god. Therefore, if majority rules...the majority of gods in this world out-rank your one. If you find this argument silly...then your's is just as silly.

Anyway, the same reasons for marriage should be applied for all couples, not just ones that fit certain molds. If you cannot come up with a valid secular legal reason for disallowing same sex marriage then just admit so.

 

[Draka]

Give me a valid, secular reason to why heterosexaul marriage is ok, first.

Why, because you can't think for yourself?

 

[rheff78]

No, judging from your earlier post, I thought I needed to keep it simple for you. Other than the reason that better minds than yours and mine have declared marriage to be between a woman and a man. That's the only I got and quite frankly, that's the only reason I or we as a country need.

 

[Draka]

No, judging from your earlier post, I thought I needed to keep it simple for you. Other than the reason that better minds than yours and mine have declared marriage to be between a woman and a man. That's the only I got and quite frankly, that's the only reason I or we as a country need.

Who are you to decide what reasons are good for a country? And just who are these "better minds"? The only reason to declare marriage to be between a man and woman is religious beliefs. Nothing valid, secular, or legal about that.

Oh, and judging from your posts, it is not me that needs people to "keep it simple".

 

[rheff78]

Oh god. Ok, Draka, I'm not the one that decides. My representatives and the representatives of this country decide. That's the whole point. Don't tell me. Tell your congressmen and women. They are the ones who decide. And, judging from the results, it looks like they agree with me. Sorry, like I said, it's not a good idea and it never will be.

 

[McBell]

Give me a valid, secular reason to why heterosexaul marriage is ok, first.

The conditions have been met.
Please fulfill your end.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Oh god. Ok, Draka, I'm not the one that decides. My representatives and the representatives of this country decide. That's the whole point. Don't tell me. Tell your congressmen and women. They are the ones who decide.

You, along with every other voter, are the ones that decide. The whole point of a representative democracy is that the representatives carry out the will of the people.

And, judging from the results, it looks like they agree with me. Sorry, like I said, it's not a good idea and it never will be.

Same-sex marriage has been legal here in Ontario for almost five years, and the sky hasn't fallen on us yet. In fact, as a man in an opposite-sex marriage, I have noticed vitually no difference in my daily life. There has been no change at all in the sanctity of either my marriage or the institution of marriage as a whole.

 

[McBell]

Y
Same-sex marriage has been legal here in Ontario for almost five years, and the sky hasn't fallen on us yet. In fact, as a man in an opposite-sex marriage, I have noticed vitually no difference in my daily life. There has been no change at all in the sanctity of either my marriage or the institution of marriage as a whole.

I have said for some time that if same sex marriage undermines your "traditional" marriage, then you "traditional" marriage is not all that good to begin with.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Marriage is simple right? A man and a woman... THATS + IT=Marriage

 

[rheff78]

Why don't ya'll understand. I'm not worried that same-sex marriage is going to undermine my marriage. It's not going to effect me at all. It's my children that I'm worried about. I don't want them growing up in world where it's ok for homosexual unions. BTW, that's one more reason I'm glad I don't live in Canada.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Why don't ya'll understand. I'm not worried that same-sex marriage is going to undermine my marriage. It's not going to effect me at all. It's my children that I'm worried about. I don't want them growing up in world where it's ok for homosexual unions. BTW, that's one more reason I'm glad I don't live in Canada.

Homosexual unions are okay in the world, and will continue to be so for the foreseeable future.

And unless you're advocating that homosexuality be made illegal, your children will live in a society where homosexual unions are legally okay, too... they've just been made more difficult for the people involved.

 

[McBell]

Why don't ya'll understand. I'm not worried that same-sex marriage is going to undermine my marriage. It's not going to effect me at all. It's my children that I'm worried about. I don't want them growing up in world where it's ok for homosexual unions. BTW, that's one more reason I'm glad I don't live in Canada.

You gonna lose out in the end

 

[Draka]

Oh god. Ok, Draka, I'm not the one that decides. My representatives and the representatives of this country decide. That's the whole point. Don't tell me. Tell your congressmen and women. They are the ones who decide. And, judging from the results, it looks like they agree with me. Sorry, like I said, it's not a good idea and it never will be.

Hmm, as I recall, the representatives shot down a proposed amendment that would legally define marriage as a union between a man and a woman. It didn't make it through. And while the language permitting or legalizing same sex marriage may have not been put through on any bill yet, there is NO legal definition of marriage being locked into a man and woman only thing.

It may not be a good idea in your eyes...but that doesn't mean it's not a good idea. I can just as easily say that it IS a good idea and always has been.

 

[Draka]

Why don't ya'll understand. I'm not worried that same-sex marriage is going to undermine my marriage. It's not going to effect me at all. It's my children that I'm worried about. I don't want them growing up in world where it's ok for homosexual unions. BTW, that's one more reason I'm glad I don't live in Canada.

Boy, that'd really suck if one of your children turned out to be homosexual and fell in love and wanted to marry their same-sex partner huh? But, of course, you want to insure their unhappiness for their own good.

 

[rheff78]

Boy, that'd really suck if one of your children turned out to be homosexual and fell in love and wanted to marry their same-sex partner huh? But, of course, you want to insure their unhappiness for their own good.

Well, that would never happen. One, because I had her checked for the "gay" gene. Second, my wife and I will instill in her the correct ideals.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well, that would never happen. One, because I had her checked for the "gay" gene. Second, my wife and I will instill in her the correct ideals.

Good luck on that.

Is self-loathing an "ideal"?

 

[Draka]

Well, that would never happen. One, because I had her checked for the "gay" gene. Second, my wife and I will instill in her the correct ideals.

:spit::biglaugh:Like you can really control such a thing! The idea that you even think you could is one of the most hilarious things I have ever read or heard anywhere. That's truly funny.

"Ideals" or not...homosexual is homosexual. If it happened to be that a child of yours was homosexual no amount of "instilling" anything would stop them from being homosexual. You might confuse them, make them angry, suicidal, or any number of other things. You certainly, however, could not keep them from being gay.

 

[Smoke]

No, judging from your earlier post, I thought I needed to keep it simple for you. Other than the reason that better minds than yours and mine have declared marriage to be between a woman and a man.

Better minds than yours, I have no doubt. Better minds than Draka's -- obviously not.

 

[Draka]

Better minds than yours, I have no doubt. Better minds than Draka's -- obviously not.

Love you too! I can't frubal you again :sorry1:, I must have fruballed you not too long ago.

 

[rheff78]

Birds of a feather.