refuting Easter as being a Pagan festival....

[Mr Cheese]

There were'nt any Rabbits in England prior to the Normans as they introduced Them into England so it would have been the Hare here which makes sense and in Spring we have a saying "as mad as a March Hare" because Hares do a kind of ritual dance prior to mating.

the french gave us bunnies!

:areyoucra

 

[Breathe]

<<snip>>

Agreed

I love the idea of painting eggs! However, I wouldn't want to break them after

the french gave us bunnies!

:areyoucra

Lol, it's true!

Special features: Rabbits were probably introduced into Britain from France in the 11th century by the Normans, who kept them for meat and fur. Descendents of the few which escaped from captivity can now be seen throughout the U.K

Source here

 

[Sinaiticism]

So please explain to me, as I am truly trying to understand, if we are commanded &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..

Deu 4:2 You shall not add to the word which I command you, neither shall you diminish from it, that you may keep the commandments of YAH your Elohim which I command you.

And further&#8230;&#8230;.

Rev 22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book, if anyone adds to them, may Elohim add to him the plagues which are written in this book.
Rev 22:19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, may Elohim take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

It almost feels that if we add to, or take away from, his word we are saying that his word is somehow flawed and we as men ought to fix it&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..

Pro 30:5 "Every word of Elohim is flawless. He is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
Pro 30:6 Don't you add to his words, lest he reprove you, and you be found a liar.

But by the instruction of my big brother and king I am taught to&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.

Mat 19:17 He said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but one, that is, Elohim. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

And he tells those that already know what was given unto Moshe at Sinai a portion of just what commandments he was speaking of&#8230;&#8230;..

Mar 10:19 You know the commandments: 'Do not murder,' 'Do not commit adultery,' 'Do not steal,' 'Do not give false testimony,' 'Do not defraud,' 'Honor your father and mother.'"

It is said if we love Yah we will obey him&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;

Deu 19:9 if you shall keep all this commandment to do it, which I command you this day, to love YAH your Elohim, and to walk ever in his ways;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;

As it is also stated&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of Elohim, that we keep his commandments. His commandments are not grievous.

If Elohim commanded the sons of Yisrael not to do something, and they did it anyway and was punished for it, wouldn&#8217;t you think that we might learn from that mistake and turn from doing the same thing which would be displeasing to Elohim? That is my understanding so we should learn from this example as well&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;

Deu 12:28 Observe and hear all these words which I command you, that it may go well with you, and with your children after you forever, when you do that which is good and right in the eyes of YAH your Elohim.
Deu 12:29 When YAH your Elohim shall cut off the nations from before you, where you go in to dispossess them, and you dispossess them, and dwell in their land;
Deu 12:30 take heed to yourself that you not be ensnared to follow them, after that they are destroyed from before you; and that you not inquire after their elohims, saying, How do these nations serve their elohims? even so will I do likewise.
Deu 12:31 You shall not do so to YAH your Elohim: for every abomination to YAH, which he hates, have they done to their elohims; for even their sons and their daughters do they burn in the fire to their elohims.
Deu 12:32 Whatever thing I command you, that shall you observe to do: you shall not add thereto, nor diminish from it.

I see in Lev 23 of the Torah those appointed feast and Holydays that are instructed on their appointed times and I have to question how can anyone change that which was ordained, as well as commanded, by the Most High to follow after that which others do even to the point of how they do it as to their own pagan deities. I also do not understand why one takes it upon themselves to go out and do such things as to win over converts, by deception of all things, as if it was commanded them to do so when it is plainly written that the Disciples, nor the Apostles, did such a thing but rather waited on people to come to them. Sure they traveled and spread the word to those that were interested but did not go door to door. Look at this &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.

Act 2:47 praising Elohim, and having favor with all the people. YAH added to the assembly day by day those who were being saved.

I understand it that it is Yah that does this and it wasn&#8217;t meant for man to do it. It sure as heck wasn&#8217;t meant to be done by deception because it is understood by me that one that would deceive is the child of the great deceptor, Helel himself.

In any case I can&#8217;t help but see those that do follow after that which is not prescribed within the instructions of Elohim as to how we are to observe him and his Moedeem, or appointed times, are as is written&#8230;&#8230;..

Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Please help me to see otherwise within the writings of Yah&#8217;s book without adding unto it nor diminishing ought from it.

 

[lockyfan]

ok.

Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; because everything in the world&#8212;the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one&#8217;s means of life&#8212;does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever
1 John 2:15-17



Where in the scriptures does it tell us to celebrate easter? No Where.

We know that at Malachi 3:6 we find out : For I am Jehovah; I have not changed

Ok so if Jehovah does not change, then why is there nothing in any scripture anywhere that tells us to celebrate easter? I ask this because when you look back to the mosaic law, the israelites were told SPECIFICALLY, WHEN, HOW and WHY they celebrated their particular festivals to Jehovah. so after hte Law became obsolete, why are we then not told to celebrate easter?

it is because God saw the creation or original intent of easter, (christmas, halloween good friday etc are all counted in this) and has asked us to touch nothing unclean. He saw the start of the pagan custom and even though it is wrapped in a neat little package of sweet chocolate eggs, true christians should not celebrate it.

 

[Sinaiticism]

ok.

Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; because everything in the world&#8212;the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one&#8217;s means of life&#8212;does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever
1 John 2:15-17



Where in the scriptures does it tell us to celebrate easter? No Where.

We know that at Malachi 3:6 we find out : For I am Jehovah; I have not changed

Ok so if Jehovah does not change, then why is there nothing in any scripture anywhere that tells us to celebrate easter? I ask this because when you look back to the mosaic law, the israelites were told SPECIFICALLY, WHEN, HOW and WHY they celebrated their particular festivals to Jehovah. so after hte Law became obsolete, why are we then not told to celebrate easter?

it is because God saw the creation or original intent of easter, (christmas, halloween good friday etc are all counted in this) and has asked us to touch nothing unclean. He saw the start of the pagan custom and even though it is wrapped in a neat little package of sweet chocolate eggs, true christians should not celebrate it.

Remember that the law is not obsolete and is why you have it written within you to do that which is right. What good would that which is written in your heart be if it were obsolete?

I completely agree that we all should obstain from such manmade paganistic rituals as easter, christmas, thanksgiving, etc. etc. etc.

 

[biomystic]

Boy, am I glad I'm a Gnostic Christian and not at all upset by the fact that Christian theology, like it's predecessor, Judaism, is chuck full of pagan religious ideas and rituals taken without attribution and reworked to become "Hebrew" and "Christian" myths, e.g. Easter and the ancient well-established ritual of honoring the renewal of Life in the Spring after Winter's desolation.

Despite all the hypocritical cries that Judaism and Christianity are somehow pure of such pagan influences if one were to cut out those places in the Torah/Tanahk and New Testament that showed pagan influence these books would look like they'd gone through a shredder, there would be so many holes in so many pages. Why not own up to historical reality and live comfortably with the fact that pagans were worshiping their gods with as much sincerity and intensity as the Abrahamic late-comers who took pagan religious myths, did their remakes on them and used them for Abrahamic myths.

God is God of everyone or God is not God yet this simple fact has always alluded Abrahamic believers who in utter hubris believed only they had a monopoly on God. This hubris continues on today with Abrahamics unable to even share the God monopoly between themselves. Absurdity in religious belief but there it is.

Thank God we are finally at the beginning of the End Times of Abraham..

 

[lockyfan]

Boy, am I glad I'm a Gnostic Christian and not at all upset by the fact that Christian theology, like it's predecessor, Judaism, is chuck full of pagan religious ideas and rituals taken without attribution and reworked to become "Hebrew" and "Christian" myths, e.g. Easter and the ancient well-established ritual of honoring the renewal of Life in the Spring after Winter's desolation.

Despite all the hypocritical cries that Judaism and Christianity are somehow pure of such pagan influences if one were to cut out those places in the Torah/Tanahk and New Testament that showed pagan influence these books would look like they'd gone through a shredder, there would be so many holes in so many pages. Why not own up to historical reality and live comfortably with the fact that pagans were worshiping their gods with as much sincerity and intensity as the Abrahamic late-comers who took pagan religious myths, did their remakes on them and used them for Abrahamic myths.

God is God of everyone or God is not God yet this simple fact has always alluded Abrahamic believers who in utter hubris believed only they had a monopoly on God. This hubris continues on today with Abrahamics unable to even share the God monopoly between themselves. Absurdity in religious belief but there it is.

Thank God we are finally at the beginning of the End Times of Abraham..

What do you see as being pagan? from the bible that is.

Because if you see paganism then maybe it is the bibl printing you are seeing. the translation could be a little off, because Satan wants us all to think that hte bible is pagan so therefore you wouldnt look at it if someone tells you to because you see it full of contradictions or whatever, when in reality it is the humans telling you that it is full of contradictions and not you looking for yourself.

 

[biomystic]

What do you see as being pagan? from the bible that is.

Because if you see paganism then maybe it is the bibl printing you are seeing. the translation could be a little off, because Satan wants us all to think that hte bible is pagan so therefore you wouldnt look at it if someone tells you to because you see it full of contradictions or whatever, when in reality it is the humans telling you that it is full of contradictions and not you looking for yourself.

No, it isn't bible printing, my friend, it is bible borrowing of pagan myths and pagan religious practices without attribution and usually inverting the pagan ideas to conform to monotheistic ones, e.g. the Babylonian Creation Myth vs. the Hebrew one, e.g. the Epic of Gilgamesh vs. the story of Noah. As I pointed out, the Hebrew myth of origin story of Abraham has Vedic deities in monotheistic disguise as "Hebrews", the Song of Solomon is a reworking of a love hymn between the two Venus gods of Jerusalem, Shalom, and Shulmitu, and then there's Jesus Christ, a Jewish version of the Greco-Roman world's familiar dying/resurrection godmen, very close in conceptualization to Mithra's dying/resurrection mythology, and on and on I could go if you really need a list of pagan borrowings in your Bible. You do know about Easter, don't you? How "Easter" is a Christian celebration of the pagan Spring Equinox that ancient Hebrews copied with their Passover celebration but Christians reconnected the original Ishtar=Oester=Easter items such as Easter eggs and hot-cross buns, i.e. raisin cakes dedicated to Ishtar. The Tree of Life? Pagan symbol of Asherah which Christians honor every Christmas with their "Paradise Trees" the origin of our Christmas trees from Medieval morality plays as well as the Jewish menorahs. I've said it before that if one was to strip out all the pagan religious material from the Bible it would look like it had gone through a shredder.

 

[captainjeph]

tl;dr

 

[McBell]

I never did understand why Christians feel the need to hide eggs from Jesus.

 

[biomystic]

Same reason office workers have those signs on their walls, "Jesus is coming. Look busy." :no::sorry1:

 

[lockyfan]

Remember that the law is not obsolete and is why you have it written within you to do that which is right. What good would that which is written in your heart be if it were obsolete?

I completely agree that we all should obstain from such manmade paganistic rituals as easter, christmas, thanksgiving, etc. etc. etc.

Jesus was the end of the law Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness.

Romans 7:4-6
4 So, my brothers, YOU also were made dead to the Law through the body of the Christ, that YOU might become another’s, the one’s who was raised up from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. 5 For when we were in accord with the flesh, the sinful passions that were excited by the Law were at work in our members that we should bring forth fruit to death. 6 But now we have been discharged from the Law, because we have died to that by which we were being held fast, that we might be slaves in a new sense by the spirit, and not in the old sense by the written code.

Therefore JEsus was the end of hte law. It no longer applies to Christians

 

[biomystic]

Remember that the law is not obsolete and is why you have it written within you to do that which is right. What good would that which is written in your heart be if it were obsolete?

I completely agree that we all should obstain from such manmade paganistic rituals as easter, christmas, thanksgiving, etc. etc. etc.

Basing your Christian beliefs on Jewish Law is like basing your religion on pagan myths. Jesus didn't overthrow the Law. God did--starting with Jesus and finishing the job with Israeli archeologists admitting there is no historical evidence whatsoever to show that the story of Moses and the Exodus and Sinai Covenant ever happened, i.e., these are Jewish myths from which the Mosaic Laws were derived from. Read the news yesterday about archeologists saying the Egyptians did not use slaves to build the pyramids, i.e. another Jewish myth of origin.

What's written in our hearts was put there by God and not man and Mosaic Law has nothing more to do with it than the Code of Hammarabi from which Mosaic Law was derived.

 

[captainjeph]

LAMO Jesus wants some eggs and we won't give him any

 

[lockyfan]

Basing your Christian beliefs on Jewish Law is like basing your religion on pagan myths. Jesus didn't overthrow the Law. God did--starting with Jesus and finishing the job with Israeli archeologists admitting there is no historical evidence whatsoever to show that the story of Moses and the Exodus and Sinai Covenant ever happened, i.e., these are Jewish myths from which the Mosaic Laws were derived from. Read the news yesterday about archeologists saying the Egyptians did not use slaves to build the pyramids, i.e. another Jewish myth of origin.

What's written in our hearts was put there by God and not man and Mosaic Law has nothing more to do with it than the Code of Hammarabi from which Mosaic Law was derived.

Basing Christian beliefs on the Bible is however what we should be doing. This is because the bible is God's Word and it is telling us what he expects of us through it.

I would rather believe the bible than men, because men can be puppets of the greatest evil being ever in existance. Satan.