Reincarnation

[Kalidas]

Yes, same rule applies for mokesh. Soul do not get mokesh (no matter how good karmas are) and are involved in cycle of reincarnation till they break their bondage with prakriti (material cause of Universe).

So prakriti is the cause of the material things in the universe?

 

[Sumit]

So prakriti is the cause of the material things in the universe?

Prakriti is a lifeless entity and material cause of Universe. Everything except Brahman (god) and Jeevatma (soul) has it's orign from Prakriti. Simply you can say prakriti is building blocks of Universe.

 

[Kalidas]

Prakriti is a lifeless entity and material cause of Universe. Everything except Brahman (god) and Jeevatma (soul) has it's orign from Prakriti. Simply you can say prakriti is building blocks of Universe.

Like the scientific term matter?

 

[Sumit]

Like the scientific term matter?

No it differ, prakriti constitutes everything i.e. all forms of matter and energy. Everything known or unknown today except soul and God originates from prakriti. It's god who with help of Prakriti maintains the Universe.

 

[Kalidas]

No it differ, prakriti constitutes everything i.e. all forms of matter and energy. Everything known or unknown today except soul and God originates from prakriti. It's god who with help of Prakriti maintains the Universe.

Oh so it is EVERYTHING material in this universe. Which is anything that isnt god or the soul

thanks for the help explaining this to me

 

[Valjean]

Ooohh okay so there is like a whole science to it.

ROFL! :biglaugh:You wish!.
See post #3. Not 'science'. It's all wild speculation with no empirical evidence to back it up. All personal experiences and reports from rishis.
This is simply not an area that science has seriously studied.

So prakriti is the cause of the material things in the universe?

Prakriti is "primordial "stuff," a sort of unformed substrate from which, when qualities (gunas) attach, the material world is expressed. Sort of like the stem cells of the material world.

 

[Sumit]

Oh so it is EVERYTHING material in this universe.

No everything is not material i.e energy differs from matter in many aspects but all these originates from prakriti. So we simply say that God is spiritual cause of Universe and prakriti is material cause of Universe. Here when I use word "material cause" don't get confused it with matter.

 

[Valjean]

Are you familiar with the concept of Brane in M theory, or maybe strings in string theory?
That's prakriti.

 

[Kalidas]

No everything is not material i.e energy differs from matter in many aspects but all these originates from prakriti. So we simply say that God is spiritual cause of Universe and prakriti is material cause of Universe. Here when I use word "material cause" don't get confused it with matter.

Okay I see it is the source of everything that only exists within the universe, in the non godly sense

 

[Kalidas]

ROFL! :biglaugh:You wish!.
See post #3. Not 'science'. It's all wild speculation with no empirical evidence to back it up. All personal experiences and reports from rishis.
This is simply not an area that science has seriously studied.

well yeah. But hardly anything religious is "scientific"


Prakriti is "primordial "stuff," a sort of unformed substrate from which, when qualities (gunas) attach, the material world is expressed. Sort of like the stem cells of the material world.

the "primordial stuff" like universal laws gravity, energy, matter, dark matter...etc etc etc

 

[Sumit]

Okay I see it is the source of everything that only exists within the universe, in the non godly sense

You cannot bound Universe in boundry and same with prakriti. Also prakriti, soul and God are three eternal entities that always existed and were never created.

 

[Valjean]

Sure, I suppose you could look at it that way. It's all the "stuff" of the universe(s).

 

[Valjean]

You cannot bound Universe in boundry and same with prakriti. Also prakriti, soul and God are three eternal entities that always existed and were never created.

Without time "always" is meaningless.
When you bring in entities you're descending deep into maya, into an individual, subjective realities.

Reality comes in layers, with different degrees of "realness." 2nd state consciousness (dream state/ REM sleep) is one, subjective reality. It's not as real as 3rd state (waking state) which, in turn is less real than 5th state.
The goal of Hinduism is expansion of consciousness through different levels to a Universal Consciousness, to oneness with Brahman. In 7th state there is no prakriti, no soul and certainly no God (s/he disappears way down the line).

 

[Sumit]

The goal of Hinduism is expansion of consciousness through different levels to a Universal Consciousness, to oneness with Brahman. In 7th state there is no prakriti, no soul and certainly no God

I am not follower of advaitya and I don't believe in unity of Brahman and soul. Soul on achieving mokesh enjoys a superconsious state due to it's closeness with Brahman. But it never loose it's individual identity.

 

[chinu]

1. What determines what happens after death? I mean I know karma plays the main part. But what about karma determines If say someone were to become a tree or a fish or a person?

Humanbeings have different type of nature and habits which is because of the actions that they did in their previous births. isn't that determines what happens after death ?

2. How can explain the increase or decrease of animals. I mean there has to be a limit of how many souls actually exist.

Like, the distance is measured in the terms of "Time" at last, (for example the distance between any star and earth).
Similarly, souls are counted in the trems of "Time"

3. Is it at all possible to have any memory of past lives?

Yes, its possible after reaching on specific spiritual level.

 

[Maya3]

Are you familiar with the concept of Brane in M theory, or maybe strings in string theory?
That's prakriti.

I always hear about this, but I don´t know about it. Could you explain it for me?
Maybe here or in a new thread.

Maya

 

[Vinayaka]

I read in the "pet peeves" thread that it annoys people when thy ear some say reincarnation can't be tire there are WAY more people now then like 100 years ago. This made me realize o know NOTHING of the subject. So how does it work exactly? I get that certain animals having a higher "spiritual intelligence" . Also a friend of mine used a similar argument and I am curious what the proper response would be?

A couple of simple explanations is that Siva continually emanates new souls, while others merge back, so any assumption that there is a set number is false. Besides that, there are souls with physical bodies, and souls without physical bodies, and who knows how many of each any given time.

Basically, if you enter a discussion with someone with differing beliefs than yours, expect questions that might bring up doubt, so it is good to be prepared.

 

[Maya3]

Generally it's taught that one does not loose consciousness, ie: one is not reborn in a less conscious form. You won't be reborn as a fish.

Only one "soul" exists, a single Universal Consciousness. It can peep out different windows; see different views, have different subjective experiences, but no matter how you blinker it or pinch off bits we all share the same "soul," in the end.
Every drop is still Ocean.

I agree with this.

Maya

 

[DeviChaaya]

A couple of simple explanations is that Siva continually emanates new souls, while others merge back, so any assumption that there is a set number is false. Besides that, there are souls with physical bodies, and souls without physical bodies, and who knows how many of each any given time.

Basically, if you enter a discussion with someone with differing beliefs than yours, expect questions that might bring up doubt, so it is good to be prepared.

There is also the fact that it is highly unlikely we are the only inhabited planet in the galaxy, let alone the universe. Consider all the souls in existence. Our planet's entire population through time is just a tiny fraction.

 

[Vinayaka]

There is also the fact that it is highly unlikely we are the only inhabited planet in the galaxy, let alone the universe. Consider all the souls in existence. Our planet's entire population through time is just a tiny fraction.

Yes, this too. Maybe some of us just got the wrong address.