Reincarnation

[QuestioningMind]

Definition: "Reincarnation, a major tenet of Hinduism, is when the soul, which is seen as eternal and part of a spiritual realm, returns to the physical realm in a new body. The belief is that a soul will complete this cycle many times - even hundreds of times, learning new things each time and working through its karma. This cycle of reincarnation is called samsara."

Analysis: From a Biblical standpoint, reincarnation is a false doctrine: “It is appointed for man to die ONCE, and after that to face the judgment” (Hebrews 9:27).

In some Hindu teachings, if a person is "bad" in the present life, they may well wind up as a protected 'temple rat" in the next life. Which begs the question: If one is a 'bad' temple rat in that life, do they further regress to a temple cockroach, with an infinite regression back to an ill-mannered amoeba? What's more, who was the first person on earth reincarnated from, and which power on earth or in heaven facilitates those supposed rebirths?

Reincarnation voids the necessity of Christ for salvation and eternal life. If one can simply 'live again,' then what is the need to believe in Jesus? Therefore, Biblically speaking, the idea of reincarnation is Satanic.

The Bible makes it clear that Satan has been around since before the Garden of Eden. He knows what occurred in the lives of such people as Alexander the Great, Cleopatra, Hitler, and every other person who has lived since the creation of mankind. It is certainly not a “reach” then to believe that he and / or his demonic spirits can impart false memories of “prior lives” into the unregenerate minds of men, especially when those individuals are making an effort – such as in a seance – to establish “contact” with a former self or higher spiritual power.

Finally, there has never been any credible evidence that I've ever seen that reincarnation exists. If anyone has a good example of an individual who purported to have reincarnated, I'd like to see it.

There's actually just as much credible evidence for reincarnation as there is for your biblical creator god. Not sure why anyone would believe in either fantastical claim.

 

[Jainarayan]

Attn: Reincarnation/Resurrection believers., Consciousness might not be able to exist as being disembodied. Consciousness may have emerged naturally with the evolution of the body and its encased brain. Hence, please keep in mind that neither reincarnation "soul" nor resurrected "souls" might not actually exist. The fact consciousness has always been observed as being embodied, there is good reason to believe neither reincarnated souls nor resurrected souls do likely actually exist.

Look up “quantum consciousness” and the works by Stuart Hameroff and Roger Penrose. They and their Ph.Ds. would disagree with you.

 

[SalixIncendium]

There's actually just as much credible evidence for reincarnation as there is for your biblical creator god. Not sure why anyone would believe in either fantastical claim.

Because the Bible said the latter is real. Try to keep up.

 

[Spartan]

There's actually just as much credible evidence for reincarnation as there is for your biblical creator god. Not sure why anyone would believe in either fantastical claim.

If you were ever to do your due diligence on Christianity and dig deep into the evidences for it, with an unbiased mind, I think you'd change your thinking.

 

[SalixIncendium]

If you were ever to do your due diligence on Christianity and dig deep into the evidences for it, with an unbiased mind, I think you'd change your thinking.

It was the unbiased mind that led me away from Christianity.

Just sayin'

 

[Vinayaka]

If you were ever to do your due diligence on Christianity and dig deep into the evidences for it, with an unbiased mind, I think you'd change your thinking.

Everyone who thinks their view is the best for all humanity says that ... "If only you had an open mind, and do the proper investigation, you'd come around to my POV'. I see this view as common, but silly. Two people just standing there, repeating this back and forth. Groundhog Day, but a far worse hell.

In your statement, just replace 'Christianity' with 'atheism, Baha'i faith, Islam, etc.

"If you were ever to do your due diligence on atheism and dig deep into the evidences for it, with an unbiased mind, I think you'd change your thinking."

If you were ever to do your due diligence on the Baha'i faith and dig deep into the evidences for it, with an unbiased mind, I think you'd change your thinking."

On top of that, it assume, naturally that the person being talked to has never done that. Many times they indeed have, and have arrived at a different conclusion.

If I had even a penny for every time I've heard this 'argument,' lol.

 

[Spartan]

It was the unbiased mind that led me away from Christianity.

Just sayin'

Then you bought into a pack of lies. I've studied it for over forty years and have two degrees in it and I can tell you the Gospels are solid as a rock.

So, show me ONE (1 - just ONE, your best one) example of a person, place, or event in the Gospels that has been proven to be fictitious? Cite the pertinent scripture(s) and state your argument.

 

[Spartan]

Everyone who thinks their view is the best for all humanity says that ... "If only you had an open mind, and do the proper investigation, you'd come around to my POV'. I see this view as common, but silly. Two people just standing there, repeating this back and forth. Groundhog Day, but a far worse hell.

In your statement, just replace 'Christianity' with 'atheism, Baha'i faith, Islam, etc.

"If you were ever to do your due diligence on atheism and dig deep into the evidences for it, with an unbiased mind, I think you'd change your thinking."

If you were ever to do your due diligence on the Baha'i faith and dig deep into the evidences for it, with an unbiased mind, I think you'd change your thinking."

On top of that, it assume, naturally that the person being talked to has never done that. Many times they indeed have, and have arrived at a different conclusion.

If I had even a penny for every time I've heard this 'argument,' lol.

You're welcome to engage in the challenge I posted in Post # 107 if you feel froggy.

 

[Vinayaka]

You're welcome to engage in the challenge I posted in Post # 107 if you feel froggy.

Just see my post #12. Seems you already found plenty of folks to engage. Personally I have no psychological need to argue/debate it.

 

[Spartan]

Just see my post #12. Seems you already found plenty of folks to engage. Personally I have no psychological need to argue/debate it.

I think if you had something really special and noteworthy you'd trot it out in a heartbeat.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Then you bought into a pack of lies. I've studied it for over forty years and have two degrees in it and I can tell you the Gospels are solid as a rock.

So, show me ONE (1 - just ONE, your best one) example of a person, place, or event in the Gospels that has been proven to be fictitious? Cite the pertinent scripture(s) and state your argument.

Forum redirect: Reincarnation

 

[Vinayaka]

I think if you had something really special and noteworthy you'd trot it out in a heartbeat.

Believe it or not there are several paradigms on this planet where 'secret is sacred' and 'sacred is secret' and adherents actually follow that.

 

[Spartan]

Forum redirect: Reincarnation

Suddenly you're done talking about it when it's time to put up your evidence.

That's ok. Back to reincarnation it is then.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Suddenly you're done talking about it when it's time to put up your evidence.

That's ok. Back to reincarnation it is then.

Evidence of what? Again, I've made no claims. You have. Support them with objective evidence. If you can't or won't, your thread has failed miserably and we are done here.

 

[sooda]

If you were ever to do your due diligence on Christianity and dig deep into the evidences for it, with an unbiased mind, I think you'd change your thinking.

Fundamentalists drive people away with nonsense about Jonah being swallowed by a fish and a six day creation.. global floods.

 

[SalixIncendium]

Fundamentalists drive people away with nonsense about Jonah being swallowed by a fish and a six day creation.. global floods.

I thought Jonah was swallowed by a whale. Or perhaps that was Ahab...

 

[Kapalika]

The universe most definitely had a beginning and one day will end. An eternal universe without either is a fundamental violation of the laws of physics. And of course there would have to, by necessity, be a first person as life itself ultimately requires a first.

And who is to say that before the Big Bang the Universe didn't operate on different laws? Cosmologists already say that different Universes could have different values for physical laws and that ours could of depending on different conditions right before the Big Bang so I don't think it's out of the question. Also, physicists trying to seek out a Unified Theory of forces say that at the start they think all forces were identical than "froze out" into the 3-4 distinct ones we have now (electro-magnatism, weak nuclear (electroweak is the same), strong nuclear and gravity). So it's also possible that physical laws could change depending on extreme conditions like durring the Big Bang. Actually I recall an M-theorist in one of their books (I think Brian Greene in his earlier, less dumbed down work) saying they don't know 100% for certain that laws don't change or are always constant, but that the assumption that they do just makes everything easier.

Yes life in the universe as we know it would of had a first life and then a first person, but the atma that would come to inhabit that would of existed before this universe as we know it came into being.

 

[RedDragon94]

What would be wrong with that?

The Vietnam veteran thinks that uhh, well, he thinks he knows Satan is a real being with attractive appearance. And he probably wants to shoot holy water at you.

 

[QuestioningMind]

If you were ever to do your due diligence on Christianity and dig deep into the evidences for it, with an unbiased mind, I think you'd change your thinking.

How terribly arrogant of you to suggest that you know how diligently or how deeply I've dug into the evidence for Christianity or the biases that I may have had when I did so.

That's as childish as me stating that if you ever do your due diligence on Hinduism and dig deep into the evidence for it, with an unbiased mind, then you'd change your thinking and start to believe that the Vedas are the Words of the Gods.

 

[Spartan]

How terribly arrogant of you to suggest that you know how diligently or how deeply I've dug into the evidence for Christianity or the biases that I may have had when I did so.

That's as childish as me stating that if you ever do your due diligence on Hinduism and dig deep into the evidence for it, with an unbiased mind, then you'd change your thinking and start to believe that the Vedas are the Words of the Gods.

Nuts. If you were really well versed and up to speed on the New Testament and its foundations in the Old Testament, you'd be singing Amazing Grace with fervor.