Rejecting people or rejecting God.

[firedragon]

Leviticus 20:13

Not the Qur'an mate. Irrelevant.

So again, what specific line of study have you engaged with? Anyway, out of curiosity, what line of study in biblical studies have you engaged with?

 

[Alien826]

I'm saying we should seek the truth. We should neither reject people out of whims of wanting a religion to be true nor should we reject the one true God for want of accepting people as good who would otherwise be deemed evil in his judgment.

I didn't reason about sexuality outside of what Quran guided me to. So it would be dishonest if I presented reasoning as if it was independent of the guidance I received from the Quran.

Yes, but ...

How can we determine what is true? You'll say consult the Quran. OK, I say, but how do you know that the Quran defines what is truth? You may go a number of ways after this and I don't want to put words in your mouth, but if you are honest you will agree that there is no way to test whatever you decide is the ultimate truth, you just trust the Quran or Allah or whatever. And you may even say that it's what you have been taught by other people. And every devotee of every other revealed religion will say the same, but they will be referring to their own scripture and their own "truth".

I'm not trying to be unduly critical, just suggesting that what you say in the OP should have a conditional attached to it. "If the Quran is true".

 

[Link]

Yes, but ...

How can we determine what is true? You'll say consult the Quran. OK, I say, but how do you know that the Quran defines what is truth? You may go a number of ways after this and I don't want to put words in your mouth, but if you are honest you will agree that there is no way to test whatever you decide is the ultimate truth, you just trust the Quran or Allah or whatever. And you may even say that it's what you have been taught by other people. And every devotee of every other revealed religion will say the same, but they will be referring to their own scripture and their own "truth".

I'm not trying to be unduly critical, just suggesting that what you say in the OP should have a conditional attached to it. "If the Quran is true".

I'm saying it both ways.

This shows the importance of being sincere to truth. If Islam is false, it should not be followed. And if true it should be and people rejected instead.

 

[sayak83]

Salam

I think the most difficult thing in Islam, is that you have to reject many people. That is you don't accept them as good people but rather are evil destined to hell.

But the flip side of that, is because humanity has not united on guidance of God, the rebellious can be forcing accepting them or rejecting God. That is either accept them or reject God.

For example, a bisexual woman. You may see her as kind, cool, etc. However, they are when presenting themselves to be accepted, they are in indeed saying you should reject God's judgment on them and rather accept them.

This is not an easy decision either way. To reject Quran and guidance for a person is not easy. And to accept guidance and reject a person you care about is not easy as well.

This shows the importance of being sincere to truth. If Islam is false, it should not be followed. And if true it should be and people rejected instead.

We don't get to make up God per our whims just so that we can fit people in paradise.

A religion that causes one to reject people because of beliefs or lifestyles is false by default. So I reject it.

 

[sayak83]

Salam

I think the most difficult thing in Islam, is that you have to reject many people. That is you don't accept them as good people but rather are evil destined to hell.

But the flip side of that, is because humanity has not united on guidance of God, the rebellious can be forcing accepting them or rejecting God. That is either accept them or reject God.

For example, a bisexual woman. You may see her as kind, cool, etc. However, they are when presenting themselves to be accepted, they are in indeed saying you should reject God's judgment on them and rather accept them.

This is not an easy decision either way. To reject Quran and guidance for a person is not easy. And to accept guidance and reject a person you care about is not easy as well.

This shows the importance of being sincere to truth. If Islam is false, it should not be followed. And if true it should be and people rejected instead.

We don't get to make up God per our whims just so that we can fit people in paradise.

A religion that causes one to reject people because of beliefs or lifestyles is false by default. So I reject it.

 

[Elihoenai]

What? You are quoting Edir Macedo of all people?!?

You can do better by yourself, pal.

Are you not inspired by "The Mysteries of Faith" video teaching Total Devotion/Commitment? I see that you are a Brazilian Atheist/Buddhist. Edir Macedo of all people. What do you mean? Don't you think Edir Macedo is a Real Christian? Have you seen the Edir Macedo Biographical movies Nothing to Lose 1 & 2? If yes, is the movie an accurate portrayal? Based on the movies, Macedo is a Real Christian.


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[LuisDantas]

Whether Edir Macedo is a real Christian is a matter for Christians to decide.

But he is a very sorry excuse for a human being, and a very dishonest and obnoxious person who has no worth whatsoever for religion.

As has been pointed out even by many Christians in Brazil, including preachers.

Also, he is involved in the ongoing attempts at a coup here in Brazil. There are excellent odds that he will end up in prison when sufficient evidence is raised.

He richly deserves that.

 

[jimb]

The OP is nonsense. There is no binary choice of "rejecting people or rejecting God".

 

[loverofhumanity]

Salam

I think the most difficult thing in Islam, is that you have to reject many people. That is you don't accept them as good people but rather are evil destined to hell.

But the flip side of that, is because humanity has not united on guidance of God, the rebellious can be forcing accepting them or rejecting God. That is either accept them or reject God.

For example, a bisexual woman. You may see her as kind, cool, etc. However, they are when presenting themselves to be accepted, they are in indeed saying you should reject God's judgment on them and rather accept them.

This is not an easy decision either way. To reject Quran and guidance for a person is not easy. And to accept guidance and reject a person you care about is not easy as well.

This shows the importance of being sincere to truth. If Islam is false, it should not be followed. And if true it should be and people rejected instead.

We don't get to make up God per our whims just so that we can fit people in paradise.

None of us are perfect if we are honest. The most devout Muslim who loves and serves Allah is but imperfect compared to Him. It is for God to judge not us. We should not accept ‘practices’ which are against the laws of God but we should not reject and shun people who do not believe because at one point in our own lives we ourselves were non believers. Just because a person has not yet embraced God does not mean he/she won’t at a later date or is not human anymore so who are we really to judge?

It is a very dangerous practice to dehumanise people on account of their belief or non belief. All are people, all are humanity, none are superior. We should be humble and love all people.

 

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None of us are perfect if we are honest. The most devout Muslim who loves and serves Allah is but imperfect compared to Him. It is for God to judge not us. We should not accept ‘practices’ which are against the laws of God but we should not reject and shun people who do not believe because at one point in our own lives we ourselves were non believers. Just because a person has not yet embraced God does not mean he/she won’t at a later date or is not human anymore so who are we really to judge?

It is a very dangerous practice to dehumanise people on account of their belief or non belief. All are people, all are humanity, none are superior. We should be humble and love all people.

None of us are perfect, but the famous Du'a Kumail shows that there is a difference between a repenting believer and a disbeliever.

 

[Elihoenai]

Whether Edir Macedo is a real Christian is a matter for Christians to decide.

But he is a very sorry excuse for a human being, and a very dishonest and obnoxious person who has no worth whatsoever for religion.

As has been pointed out even by many Christians in Brazil, including preachers.

Also, he is involved in the ongoing attempts at a coup here in Brazil. There are excellent odds that he will end up in prison when sufficient evidence is raised.

He richly deserves that.

Do you have any evidence that Edir Macedo is a Very Dishonest person? Is this just your Atheist Biased Opinion? If Edir Macedo is Dishonest, let alone Very Dishonest, he is Not a Real Christian.

Are you able to provide examples of Christians and Preachers in Brazil that have a Low Opinion of Edir Macedo? This sounds like all Wild Speculation. You haven't cited anything that he has done or alleged to have done. Remember Christians and Non-Christians can just be Envious/Jealous of his Great Wealth.

 

[PureX]

We don't get to make up God per our whims just so that we can fit people in paradise.

That is EXACTLY what we do get to do!

"God" is the greatest mystery of all. And it is within that mystery that we humans get to wonder, and speculate, and dream about what God might be, and how we might interact with it. What our purpose might be as manifestations of it.

And it is through this speculation and the choices we make that we end up defining ourselves, and determining who we are as individual beings. And what an amazing thing that is! By remaining hidden from us, God has given us the gift of self-creation!

 

[LuisDantas]

Do you have any evidence that Edir Macedo is a Very Dishonest person? Is this just your Atheist Biased Opinion? If Edir Macedo is Dishonest, let alone Very Dishonest, he is Not a Real Christian.

You obviously know nothing about him. Nor do you have even casual acquaintance with random Brazilians.

Also, I failed to point out previously that his so-called church has been encouraging truculent behavior and recruiting their own so-called "soldiers".

He is trash.

 

[Elihoenai]

You obviously know nothing about him. Nor do you have even casual acquaintance with random Brazilians.

Also, I failed to point out previously that his so-called church has been encouraging truculent behavior and recruiting their own so-called "soldiers".

He is trash.

This appears to be Atheist Hatred and Bigotry Against Christians. You still have not provided any evidence that Edir Macedo is not a Real Christian. Without evidence to support what you are saying it's just an Empty Atheist Rant on your part.

Real Atheists are Totally Committed to Tarnishing and Rubbishing Real Christians. Real Atheists say and do anything to Destroy Real Christians and Real Atheists Work with False Christians to Destroy Real Christians.


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[Elihoenai]

The OP is nonsense. There is no binary choice of "rejecting people or rejecting God".

James 4:4

4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.


The OP means Rejecting People of the World For Accepting the People of Elohim/God. The People of the World are Satanists. Accepting the People of World means that you are a Satanist Enemy of Elohim/God. Most Certainly it is a Binary Choice between Elohim/God and the Devil/Satan. Half-Hearted Christians are Devoured by the Satan/Devil.

 

[LuisDantas]

This appears to be Atheist Hatred and Bigotry Against Christians.

Does it?

Interesting. Appearances are very much wrong, then.

But it is good that you mention bigotry. You need to understand bigotry better, for it is a real problem for you.

I had never wondered about the founders of American Atheists before. Thanks for making me.

Murray sadly appears to have been a Holocaust denier, but otherwise she did great good for the USA and by extension to us all. A courageous and progressive woman.

 

[stevecanuck]

You can't just say "perhaps" and get away with it.

Sure he can. He's simply putting forth the possibility that religions and holy books are human inventions. There's nothing disingenuous or inconsistent about such a postion.

You have to stand by your claims and prove them, study them, provide evidence. This is just so irresponsible.

What claims? Saying "perhaps" is in fact the opposite of making a claim.

 

[jimb]

That is EXACTLY what we do get to do!

"God" is the greatest mystery of all. And it is within that mystery that we humans get to wonder, and speculate, and dream about what God might be, and how we might interact with it. What our purpose might be as manifestations of it.

And it is through this speculation and the choices we make that we end up defining ourselves, and determining who we are as individual beings. And what an amazing thing that is! By remaining hidden from us, God has given us the gift of self-creation!

Nonsense!

 

[an anarchist]

Not the Qur'an mate. Irrelevant.

Oh yea, because Islam is soooo pro LGBT

My point stands. I have studied enough of Abrahamic religion. You keep asking for the extent of my studies. I'll tell you I've studied the Bible extensively.

The OP is about whether we should reject people or reject "God". Having studied a variation of the Abrahamic God extensively, I feel comfortable participating in this thread. If you don't like it then oh well ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[firedragon]

Oh yea, because Islam is soooo pro LGBT

Never said that.

The guy was quoting the Bible. Not the Qur'an. So that's what I said.