Relationship, attitude towards women and interracial dating

[kopekbaligi]

There is a difference between races of how different they generally react towards women. I think this is caused by the culture and the media. A black man or a white from the West will never have an advantage over an Asian man or a Russian man or a Middle Eastern man in picking up traditional females from these areas or cultures because he does not understand the customs and mannerisms. A black man's from the US overly confident and boastful attitudes (these qualities are subjective and I perceive like that) for example might get some tons of girl in America or in Europe but that thing won't work out so well in places like Russia and Asia. Moreover, especially in Muslim countries, instead of getting girl, he is likely to get his head chopped off.

In traditional Asian/Russian or Muslim society, a man needs to be respectful, humble, modest, and responsible to get a woman but in the west a man needs to be arrogant, rude, loud-mouthed, obnoxious, cocky, "outgoing", act mean-like to other men, violent, and too "macho"-like to get a woman.

However, due to culture erosion which steams from the fact that the Western way of life has been diffusing almost everywhere, men from non-Western cultures have had struggle to change their mentalities into Western-like mannerism. Therefore, it is less likely to see an Asian/Middle Eastern/Russian Man with Western women than a Western man with an Asian/Middle Eastern/Russian woman.

This is how it seems to me and I wonder how it seems to you. This thread may be overly stupid but I have to check out my perception through learning your ideas on the matter.

 

[Mathematician]

What about the culture of machismo prevalent in Latin countries? I can't speak on behalf of Europe, but in most parts of the United States it's deemed highly inappropriate to whistle at a woman, but my friends came back telling me that it was pretty normal in parts of Colombia.

 

[Sunstone]

...in the west a man needs to be arrogant, rude, loud-mouthed, obnoxious, cocky, "outgoing", act mean-like to other men, violent, and too "macho"-like to get a woman.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and state there might be a wee bit of truth to what you say. Not much truth, but a wee bit. I recall a study done, I think, by John T. Molloy some years ago.

If I recall, Molloy's crew of researchers showed videos of men behaving in various ways to a number of women. The women described the men as "confident". They then showed the same videos to a number of men. The men described the men in the videos as "arrogant".

I think Molloy's study has since been collaborated by other studies. It seems that women tend to see confidence where men tend to see arrogance. Moreover, women respond positively to what they see as confidence, while men respond negatively to what they see as arrogance.

So, perhaps, in some limited way, you have a point. But I would caution against making too much of it. Most of the women I know do not go for extremes of arrogance.

 

[Mathematician]

I think they're both right. Does it not take confidence to be a little arrogant?

Only a select few men are confident and come off smooth.

 

[Revoltingest]

....in the west a man needs to be arrogant, rude, loud-mouthed, obnoxious, cocky, "outgoing", act mean-like to other men, violent, and too "macho"-like to get a woman.

Really?
Have you actually tried this technique?
How did it work out for you?

Btw, welcome aboard!

 

[HerDotness]

In traditional Asian/Russian or Muslim society, a man needs to be respectful, humble, modest, and responsible to get a woman but in the west a man needs to be arrogant, rude, loud-mouthed, obnoxious, cocky, "outgoing", act mean-like to other men, violent, and too "macho"-like to get a woman.

I don't know that humble is that much of a draw for U.S. women. If that means not being an ill-mannered boor who primarily seeks to impress women with what a Great Big MAN he is, then I'd agree that most of us wouldn't be impressed by a man lacking humility except by how obnoxious the guy is. Otherwise, I find your description of the typical Western man really somewhat negative and extremely unlike any man I'd find appealing. I certainly can attest that my husband is respectful, humble, relatively modest (certainly doesn't brag about any of his finer qualities...in fact, just the opposite--he's sometimes too modest about what a good person he is) and very responsible.

Women generally want a man who is a good conversationalist, I think. Maybe my friends are too much educated intellectuals, but I know they are drawn to a man who knows how to listen attentively to what is said. The last thing they or I would be very impressed by is the type of man that you say the typical Westerner is.

Women also are most drawn to a man who genuinely likes women. That's hard to describe, but it refers to the type of man who appreciates and enjoys women's company and doesn't try to control or manipulate them.

In short, I really disagree that any Western woman with any sense about what makes a good husband would be attracted by the sort of man you describe. She might date him casually for a while, but if she's really interested in a stable, longterm relationship, that guy wouldn't be around her for long at all.

 

[HonestJoe]

This thread may be overly stupid

Not overly, no.

I do think you're focusing too much on the differences between cultures in general and not enough on the differences within a given culture (which if anything will be greater). While you may get the general perceptions of different cultures as you do, they're all in fact much more diverse than you give them credit for (even before we get in to the merging of cultures.

What an individual finds attractive in a partner will be exactly that - individual. Culture will play a role in that but personal characteristics will be much more significant. If this wasn't the case, we wouldn't see all the vastly different kinds of people we all know in relationships.

 

[HerDotness]

I do think you're focusing too much on the differences between cultures in general and not enough on the differences within a given culture (which if anything will be greater). While you may get the general perceptions of different cultures as you do, they're all in fact much more diverse than you give them credit for (even before we get in to the merging of cultures.

I agree. I also wonder how many American and European men the OP knows personally.

It seems somewhat unjust to me to characterize Western men as was done in the OP. Not even movies present the contemporary Western man as universally this sort.

I'm reminded of the people from other countries I've known who admitted that they perceived Americans wrongly and unfairly before coming to this country and getting to know individual Americans. The perception that Americans are brash and arrogant and push themselves at people wasn't true, they had realized, but rather a misperception arising from the human tendency to suspect foreigners as opposite those of one's own culture.

Instead, they said they now saw Americans as lively, interested in others and friendly although still too open on short acquaintance. Those of Asian and Russian cultures said that Americans seem to wish to become too familiar too quickly because proper behavior is different in the U.S. and not so formal and reserved as elsewhere.

 

[dawny0826]

There is a difference between races of how different they generally react towards women. I think this is caused by the culture and the media. A black man or a white from the West will never have an advantage over an Asian man or a Russian man or a Middle Eastern man in picking up traditional females from these areas or cultures because he does not understand the customs and mannerisms. A black man's from the US overly confident and boastful attitudes (these qualities are subjective and I perceive like that) for example might get some tons of girl in America or in Europe but that thing won't work out so well in places like Russia and Asia. Moreover, especially in Muslim countries, instead of getting girl, he is likely to get his head chopped off.

In traditional Asian/Russian or Muslim society, a man needs to be respectful, humble, modest, and responsible to get a woman but in the west a man needs to be arrogant, rude, loud-mouthed, obnoxious, cocky, "outgoing", act mean-like to other men, violent, and too "macho"-like to get a woman.

However, due to culture erosion which steams from the fact that the Western way of life has been diffusing almost everywhere, men from non-Western cultures have had struggle to change their mentalities into Western-like mannerism. Therefore, it is less likely to see an Asian/Middle Eastern/Russian Man with Western women than a Western man with an Asian/Middle Eastern/Russian woman.

This is how it seems to me and I wonder how it seems to you. This thread may be overly stupid but I have to check out my perception through learning your ideas on the matter.

I get the point that you're making, though I think you're relying far too much on stereotypes. A woman's attitude towards men will be influenced by her own cultural and familial influences, not to mention her own views of self and feelings of self worth.

A woman who feels confident in herself, is likely going to be attracted to someone who she feels chemistry with who shows her respect.

 

[goodhunter819]

I think to begin with the whole agenda of dating white women from the west is set into categories, for example a black man dating a white woman will work if he is westernised and accept the western cultural values, if he is more about black western cultures likes rap cultures then he is more likely to date a black woman raised in the west, there is a distinct difference between a black man born and raised in the west than there is a black man from Africa, the foods, ideas, clothing’s, beliefs and the way the religions are applied are a world apart, as for dating Asian or Russian Muslim, be serious Muslims will not date or marry any man unless he himself is Muslim or accepts Islam, your right in some ways of some of the Asian cultures are hard to apply yourself to but then again on the opposite side of the coin marrying an Asian Catholic is not unheard of and quite regular depending on what part of the western world your living in, I personally have had Russian offers from woman who have had my name pass to them however I don’t date white women not because they are not attractive, quite the opposite but because I prefer to choose a woman that is more compatible to me nature, I did not specify to them that I don’t date white women I simply said I had problems at the moment , as for choosing a woman I won’t specify because I think that is not sensible to do suffice to say there are not many white men who can sensibly and honestly integrate into Asian cultures excluding Islam, the pious and humble thing, these lads where I live are anything but humble or pious, I am looking for a non white Catholic woman for the Asian countries ,it is not as hard as you think it is and is subject more to social status than colour, the average white woman will not like the average white man dating a white woman they have a white wrong with us agenda , as for dating Asian women from the south east I know I have had everything from Asian insults to spic, wap jew lover the issues is able to be surpassed , I am divorced from a white woman and separated from a another white woman I was to marry because of her dad, I don’t wish to go down that road again for both our sakes, my mother is a red skinned woman and all her sisters, for me is like second nature to choose a red skinned woman (not a Freudian slip) excluding Islam because I am not Muslim (at least not yet) were I Muslim then that would be not so much of an issue, it is worth noting though that Islam deals with the specifics of religious behaviour rather than race, I know quite a few non white men married to woman of varied races all believers in Islam, as for me I am not without choice there multitudes and multitudes and multitudes of women all the world, all wanting and need husbands one should be willing to do is travel and from my life experience I know that there are men who have gone so low in human degrees and still been able to find a wife, believe I am seen some messed up stuff and man still manage to find a woman to wed and be I have not or would reach them levels so finding a woman who is not white skinned maybe westernised is still not an issue for me but more of condition of religious command , actually it sounds a bit naive and detached from the real world.

 

[suncowiam]

Being a minority of Asian decent, I believe the attitude towards dating westerners stem from the acceptance of sexual equality when one compares modern versus traditional cultures. Lots of asian females do not want to be "controlled" and feel that by dating someone more traditional, it would be construed as being controlled. A traditional wife has a very defined role in the culture behind the husband.

And they get butt loads of Brad Pitt pictures here as opposed to say Jackie Chan, so yeah, it's part brain washing.

In my neck of the woods, asian guys are jealous of white guys and white girls are jealous of asian girls. LOL

I just think its down to individual attraction. If a person is not attracted to certain traits then so be it. Plenty of fish in the sea.

 

[goodhunter819]

Error Correction on spelling & paragraphs regarding the topic mix race relationships
I think to begin with the whole agenda of dating white women from the west is set into categories, for example a black man dating a white woman will work if he is westernised and accept the western cultural values, if he is more about black western cultures likes rap cultures then he is more likely to date a black woman raised in the west, there is a distinct difference between a black man born and raised in the west than there is a black man from Africa, the foods,ideas,clothing’s,beliefs and the way the religions are applied are a world apart, as for dating an Asian or Russian Muslim? be serious Muslims will not date or marry any man unless he himself is Muslim or accepts Islam, however your right in some ways of some of the Asian cultures are hard to apply yourself to but then again on the opposite side of the coin marrying an Asian Catholic is not unheard of and quite regular depending on what part of the western world your living in, I personally have had Russian offers from woman who have had my names passed to me however I don’t date white women not because they are not attractive, quite the opposite but because I prefer to choose a woman that is more compatible to me nature and belief, I did not specify to them that I don’t date white women I simply said I have some problems at the moment, as for choosing a woman I did not specify because my choice of woman is obvious in what sort of woman I would choose.
On other hand concerning white woman and white men, there are not many white men who can sensibly and honestly integrate into Asian cultures including Islam, the pious and humble thing, these lads where I live are anything but humble or pious, on a personal level, looking for a non white Catholic woman from one of the south east Asian countries? is not as hard as you think it is and is subject more to social status than colour, the average white woman will not like the average white man dating a none white woman because white women have their own agenda, as for dating Asian women from the south east I know because I have had everything from paki lover Asian insults to spic, wap jew nigga lover hurled at me and was able to surpassed them all , I am divorced from a white woman and separated from a another white woman I was to marry because of her dad and racial issues, I don’t wish to go down that road again for both our sakes, my mother is a red skinned woman and all her sisters, so for me it is like second nature to choose a red skinned woman (not a Freudian slip) excluding Islam because I am not Muslim (at least not yet) were I Muslim then there probably be not so much of an issue, it is worth noting though that Islam deals with the specifics of religious behaviour (social standings )rather than race, I know quite a few non white and white men married to woman of varied races all believers in Islam, as for me I am not without choice there multitudes and multitudes and multitudes of women all over the world, all wanting and need husbands, one should be willing travel to get the right woman to marry, it dose not requite great wealth and from my life's experience I know that there are men who have gone so low in human degrees and still been able to find a wife far more attractive and wanton that the average person would expect, believe me I am seen some messed up stuff and man still manage to find a woman to wed and be with, I have not or would reach such levels, so finding a woman who is not white skinned is westernised but it is still not an issue for me but more of condition of religious understanding of unconventional religious cultural values ,a local opinion of one person says it sounds a bit naive and detached from the real world however it is not practical to expect everyone to see things your way.

 

[goodhunter819]

To Exonerate


Unsavoury and inappropriate lies and rumours regarding myself and sexual choice, to begin with I don’t believe in dating white women, I did not say I don’t like white women, the reason for that is simple, 1, I need & want a woman of red skinned, brown eyed and black haired as red skinned as my mother and that is not a Freudian slip, 2, after my last relationship with a white woman things got so messed and turned out racially dangerous that even a local lad took a beating however what he was doing around the pub at that hour of the night is a mystery to me surrounded by loads ofcabezas de piel blanca is a mystery to me So to confirm your insane mentality I am not into males and only dated under aged girls when I was under aged or reasonably aged outside by two to three years whilst being a teenager . So the question is why the multitude of insults towards myself? well maybe it has something to do with rejection? remember the quote :Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, or maybe I am just dealing with a little punk thief who stole from me and was trying to use the stolen item cipher =use numbers on it? I say this because my now woman was very angry that some woman sent pictures of herself claiming to be my woman as well as odd calls and with all these accusations did it ever occur to you concerned with this problem that you could be dealing with a little punk *** girl thief with an infatuation or hatred for me or maybe her punk *** thieving boyfriend who is jealous that she is infatuated over me or maybe it was the jealous woman who stopped to made up lies of orientation woman like desire of someone who does not exist and did it occur to the people concerned that these punk *** are lair?

I will say this though, should I date a white woman she would have to be religiously cultured and it have to be marital with both families consent, now that may sound like a man stealing the cradle however it is not, should any of you concerned with this issue and disputing opposing disagreements from myself they will know of religious customs and tradition unconventional or conventional, they will also know I don’t espouse isms nor am I concerned with any politics, I leave politics to the politicians to make way for my belief, in my opinion all these lies of inappropriate accusations of behaviour and ludicrous sexual accusations is simply a product of rejection , my rejection the their subculture fascist politics and my rightful rejection of dating white woman which I think at the end of day should have made a more conducive relationship with any white man, instead they have went of on a unrealistic tangent causing nothing but insane accusation and irrational and illogical assumption it might even be the work of a neurotic woman, all in all its a load of lies.