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I’d say there was a significant element of chance. Like so many things, it would have only taken a couple of minor differences in events to lead to vastly different outcomes years later. Maybe a different culture could have led to an even better state of science today, say if certain areas of study hadn’t been resisted by churches or the input of women had been accepted and recognised earlier?
There is always chance involved, but it was a society where there was a far higher chance of it occurring than in almost all other historical societies.
Thousands of societies have existed, yet modern science developed out of one particular society. We had thousands of bites at the cherry, and while in theory a 'better' society could have existed, in reality it didn't and the likelihood of it appearing, based on the only evidence we have, was pretty low.
It was imperfect, but good enough. Most societies failed to reach even that status.
I think you’re belittling non-European societies. All of the major civilisations of the world will have had technological and what we’d now call scientific advancements of their times or they wouldn’t have become major civilisations. We can’t know how much knowledge was lost when those civilisations either died out or were crushed by later ones (including our own).
Not at all. I specifically acknowledged them in a previous post as Western Europe was a very late bloomer.
Why would there need to be different reasons for different people (or the same people with different beliefs) to develop their nations and societies? And while it’s certainly true that a vast amount of our educational infrastructure was started by religious people and church money, there are also examples of churches or the religious blocking progress or focusing resources on the spiritual or their personal enrichment rather than any wider social good.
You are jumbling together different things here. Practical technologies and 'sciences' have always been sought after.
Modern science grew out of the study of things that were decidedly impractical. The major reason these studies were funded and had any status was their connection to religion. Natural philosophy was generally considered to be pretty much useless, and most societies showed little concern for such endeavours.
The pre-modern mind was very different to that of the modern educated Westerner, and hindsight gives a very different perspective on things.
It’s almost as if it all boils down to the hot mess that is human nature, regardless of whether individuals are religious or not.
We are animals. Human nature has very little intrinsic desire to search for abstract principles of objective truth that offer no direct practical benefit to anyone, particularly when resources are scarce.