Religion and Science

[Augustus]

But it also says that a woman giving birth to a girl is unclean for double the time as a boy. Whats the science about that?

That's a bit like saying what is scientific about praying towards Mecca. It just relates to ritual, not science.

 

[firedragon]

That's a bit like saying what is scientific about praying towards Mecca. It just relates to ritual, not science.

Where in the Quran does it say to pray towards Mecca Augustus.

Luv thy name though oh Caesar.

 

[paarsurrey]

I was correcting your mistake.

I don't get what was the mistake.
Regards

 

[Deathbydefault]

I don't get what was the mistake.
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It's very simple to understand, replaced 'deprived of' with 'thankfully not dictated by' as was indicated in post #13.

 

[paarsurrey]

It's very simple to understand, replaced 'deprived of' with 'thankfully not dictated by' as was indicated in post #13.

The scripture or religion does not dictate anything to do with force, it highlights that which is already latent in our selves.
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[Deathbydefault]

The scripture or religion does not dictate anything to do with force, it highlights that which is already latent in our selves.
Regards

I don't quite follow, are you, by chance, saying that scripture and religion do not impose dictation?
There's a harsh reality check to be had, if so.

 

[paarsurrey]

I don't quite follow, are you, by chance, saying that scripture and religion do not impose dictation?
There's a harsh reality check to be had, if so.

Yes, the truthful religion does note dictate anything, it only guides one:

Sahih International: And say, "The truth is from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe; and whoever wills - let him disbelieve." Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose walls will surround them. And if they call for relief, they will be relieved with water like murky oil, which scalds [their] faces. Wretched is the drink, and evil is the resting place.
http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=18&verse=29#(18:29:1)​

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[1AOA1]

The truthful religion and or its revealed scripture does not claims to be a text-book of science. Right?

You could have-

M- Materialistic practice
M,1- Materialistic definitions
M,1,1- Materialistic definitions applied to texts (biblical texts, "science" texts, etc.)
M,1,2- Applied to objects
M,1,3- Applied to religion
M,1,3,1- Theistic lifestyle
M,1,3,2- Materialistic lifestyle

T- Theistic practice
T,1- Theistic definitions
T,1,1- Theistic definitions applied to texts (biblical texts, "science" texts, etc)
T,1,2- Applied to objects
T,1,3- Applied to religion
T,1,3,1- Thestic practice
T,1,3,2- Materialistic practice

Textbook of science could be T,1,1 or M,1,1. Revealed scripture could be T,1,1 or M,1,1. You'd have to specify.

 

[Deathbydefault]

Yes, the truthful religion does note dictate anything, it only guides one:

Then this is the first I've ever heard about it.

 

[paarsurrey]

Then this is the first I've ever heard about it.

I gave one a verse of Quran and there are many verses in Quran to the meaning that the truthful religion does note dictate anything, it only guides one:

1. [1:6]Guide us in the right path —
   [1:7]The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray
2. [2:3] This is a perfect Book; there is no doubt in it; it is a guidance for the righteous,

One could see, there is no compulsion. There are innumerable such verses in Quran.

The dictation is to do a thing exactly one has been ordered, but Quran says to comply as per the appropriate situation. A virtuous act done at a wrong time/occasion becomes unethical .
Regards

 

[rusra02]

But it also says that a woman giving birth to a girl is unclean for double the time as a boy. Whats the science about that?

This direction given in the Law of Moses denoted ceremonial uncleanness. This Law emphasized the subordinate position of women directed by God, not scientific differences in the sexes. I believe this Law also emphasized the sin and imperfection passed from parents to children.

 

[Deathbydefault]

I gave one a verse of Quran and there are many verses in Quran to the meaning that the truthful religion does note dictate anything, it only guides one:

1. [1:6]Guide us in the right path —
   [1:7]The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray
2. [2:3] This is a perfect Book; there is no doubt in it; it is a guidance for the righteous,

One could see, there is no compulsion. There are innumerable such verses in Quran.

The dictation is to do a thing exactly one has been ordered, but Quran says to comply as per the appropriate situation. A virtuous act done at a wrong time/occasion becomes unethical .
Regards

Appearances are only nice on the outside.
I could say I'm being guided into an ally by a few people, and would be correct irrelevant as to whether or not they have a knife at my neck.
Holy books seem to commit to this in a similar fashion much of the time.

 

[morphesium]

More than guiding, Islam is brainwashing its followers.

 

[morphesium]

The truthful religion and or its revealed scripture does not claims to be a text-book of science. Right?

There are many science books (even texts) out there that doesn't claim itself to be a science text. There could be even one or two sentences of jokes or humor in that book, but still it is a valid science book.

The Koran (perhaps the most unscientific and unethical text of any religion) have definitely made some (un) scientific statements - statements that tries to boast its scientific knowledge, but only criticizes itself on the process in front on modern scientific knowledge.

Even those persons whose ideology or whose world view is deprived of a scripture from G-d can participate in the discussion.
Regards

It just shows how crippled and brainwashed you are!
Since you believe in God, and that you accept Koran;
you are also agreeing with these -

1. God has instilled information even in each and every atom on the whole universe, and every creature on earth, but hasn't instilled anything on you.
2. That God can't and won't talk to you.
3. that morale (something that has been installed by true God himself) is not the best source of guidance (because you accept Koran as the best source of guidance
4. You are farther away from true God by putting someone else (Koran / prophet) between God and You.

and you say you are someone close to God! Nothing can be more far from the truth.

Spoiler: Copying some text of one of my previous post here

What if I say that you have been instilled with true Gods message - and your religion hijacked it; with the help of a claimed prophet, a fake illusion of God. What if True God is in touch with you (this doesn't mean that he is claiming this all the time "I am the God, follow me or else i would burn you- but rather speaks to you through your morale which lets you polish oneself and in-turn polish your society, which in turn keeps better laws which in turn lets people to keep even higher morales (an ever continuous cycle), but you stay away from him because of your religion -the prophet did this (heinous act), he knows the best so we can do that.

Today we know that information is processed in the brain as electrical signals. So if God wishes to say something to us, he only needs to alter the potentials here and there and the message would be conveyed to us - He can do this without revealing himself and we would never know his presence. This way, he could stay in touch with humans in every corner of the world. This is something tailor made for oneself and apt for the situation.
So why put someone (a prophet) or something else (a book/ rituals etc) between you and God?

 

[paarsurrey]

It just shows how crippled and brainwashed you are!
Since you believe in God, and that you accept Koran;
you are also agreeing with these -

1. God has instilled information even in each and every atom on the whole universe, and every creature on earth, but hasn't instilled anything on you.
2. That God can't and won't talk to you.
3. that morale (something that has been installed by true God himself) is not the best source of guidance (because you accept Koran as the best source of guidance
4. You are farther away from true God by putting someone else (Koran / prophet) between God and You.

and you say you are someone close to God! Nothing can be more far from the truth.

All your fanciful ideas, nothing to do with me or G-d or Quran.
Regards

 

[The_Fisher_King]

More than guiding, Islam is brainwashing its followers.

How so?

 

[paarsurrey]

paarsurrey said: ↑
Yes, the truthful religion does note dictate anything, it only guides one:

Deathbydefault said: ↑
Then this is the first I've ever heard about it

I gave one a verse of Quran and there are many verses in Quran to the meaning that the truthful religion does note dictate anything, it only guides one:

1. [1:6]Guide us in the right path —
   [1:7]The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray
2. [2:3] This is a perfect Book; there is no doubt in it; it is a guidance for the righteous,

One could see, there is no compulsion. There are innumerable such verses in Quran.

The dictation is to do a thing exactly one has been ordered, but Quran says to comply as per the appropriate situation. A virtuous act done at a wrong time/occasion becomes unethical

Quran/Islam/Muhammad have nothing to do with compulsion.
Regards