You have no reason the world is quite that helpless or evil? I did not say it is helpless. I have implied it is refusing help. Do you believe there are good people who can do no evil?
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Religion And Violence
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You have no reason the world is quite that helpless or evil? I did not say it is helpless. I have implied it is refusing help. Do you believe there are good people who can do no evil?
Yes, I have no such reason.
Do you mean, by refusing to accept God? That doesn't really play a role on the matter. Belief in God is not significantly generally helpful in developing moral virtue, although it may be for some very specific people. For others it is actually quite the hindrance.
Very few people do evil when truly given the understanding of the consequences of their actions and enough of a choice.
Is evil defined here as enough evil to be judged? I define evil as anything that prevents or discourages good. There are many degrees of evil. Much evil done has no visible or discernible consequences. For instance all partiality outside of one's own family and business is evil because it places the welfare of one soul over another. Do you disagree?
Any amount of evil is enough to be judged. That is why it is called "evil"; because it was judged wrong.
How can it be evil then?
May you be more specific? Rooting for a soccer team over another is partiality, but I wouldn't call it evil.
Is this assuming people judge what they might do before doing it? I doubt it.
How can evil be evil if it can not be measured? Can you measure the damage to young souls who are being bullied? Not until they cut themselves or kill themselves. Can you measure the evil done to sons and daughters who are not being fed right? I don't think so. Are bullying and apathy not evil?
I do not call sports' fans evil. I said partiality that goes beyond one's own "business". Business means what a person is occupied with. It does not always mean the making of money. You know?
I thought of another evil that can not be measured - neglect.
dawny0826
Mother Heathen
No. But, I'm not willing to blame religion for the idiocy of two whack jobs.
I said nothing about judging before the deed. But if there is no clear undesirable consequence then by definition it is not evil.
Or without having clear undesirable consequences? It can't.
Unless you mean literal souls, you can actually perceive the consequences of bullying well before they reach that point.
Not always and not with great precision perhaps, but then again our perception is never flawless.
Yes, they are. And they have clear, perceptible consequences.
In that sense, there is no such thing as going beyond anyone's business. We are all co-responsible for everyone else.
That is what I am saying. Because every person has some responsibility for every one else we should not judge each other.
How do you feel when you are judged? How do you feel when you apprehend a superior approached toward yourself? How do you feel when you are being patronized? You balk. How do you feel when you balk? Do you ever feel angry? What do SOME angry people do?
And there is such a thing as going beyond one's own business.
1 Thessalonians 4:11 Make it your ambition to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business and to work with your hands, just as we told you,
Wow very deep. One question please? Whose mundane existence? The manipulator or the manipulated?
Orias
Left Hand Path
I think it is very true it is one reason for some events. I do not agree it is the utmost cause of irresponsible events.
What do I suspect is the utmost cause of religious violence? Power.
Orias
Left Hand Path
Mundaneness is not the utmost cause of irresponsible events, but the routine and patterns are bound to spike so typically such behaviors often do lead to a more extreme intervention.
Orias
Left Hand Path
Well violence isn't specifically about power, but according to religion and ways of thought its often something that is attempting to be expressed.
When it comes down to it, violence isn't about power though, its about demonstration. When one is demonstrating, they are choosing to exist. Lack of demonstration often leads to lack of existence.
I agree. Is it not then reasonable and responsible to seek to entertain such individuals?
*I'm not really off topic in my own demented imagination. It usually goes around and back to where it was on topic. I think I call it ring theory.