Wandering Monk
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The point here is why is religion a protected class, but sexual identity is not? Religious conservatives I talk to say that sexual identity is a CHOICE never even recognizing that their religion is also a choice.
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Religion as a protected class?
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The point here is why is religion a protected class, but sexual identity is not? Religious conservatives I talk to say that sexual identity is a CHOICE never even recognizing that their religion is also a choice.
And, apparently, it's not as hard as answering my question.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I never said anything about a tribunal.And, apparently, it's not as hard as answering my question.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Being trans in itself doesn't cause illnesses or disturbances. It's the dysphoria and other people that do.
I don't claim that my view of it is correct.
Yours is another way to see it.
We Never Know
No Slack
Its not politically correct and it does stigmatize them.
However...
"There has been clear and consistent data showing an increased risk for mood and anxiety disorders in transgender individuals, and there is emerging evidence looking at increased rates of bipolar disorder, post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), and substance use disorders."
Mental Health Diagnoses Among Transgender Patients in the Clinical Setting: An All-Payer Electronic Health Record Study
We performed a cross-sectional analysis of the prevalence of psychiatric diagnoses among transgender patients in clinical care using an all-payer electronic health record database. Of 10,270 transgender patients identified, 58% (n=5940) had at least one ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Instantly? Like changing your socks?
I simply don't believe you.
Further elaborations on the why of that are possible, but presently declined.
If that was the point, I missed it. I thought the question was about how somehow religion didn't deserve to be a protected class while a litany of other things did. I don't agree. All of that litany of things should be protected classes, for reasons I went into earlier:
If the right leg doesn't match the left leg's length, &Its not politically correct and it does stigmatize them.
However...
"There has been clear and consistent data showing an increased risk for mood and anxiety disorders in transgender individuals, and there is emerging evidence looking at increased rates of bipolar disorder, post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), and substance use disorders."
Mental Health Diagnoses Among Transgender Patients in the Clinical Setting: An All-Payer Electronic Health Record Study
We performed a cross-sectional analysis of the prevalence of psychiatric diagnoses among transgender patients in clinical care using an all-payer electronic health record database. Of 10,270 transgender patients identified, 58% (n=5940) had at least one ...
if the brain's gender doesn't match the sex, then both
are disorders, whatever clinical label is given them.
There's nothing wrong with having disorders.
I have some. They just are what they are.
Are you willing to share a few of the beliefs you hold that have gotten you treated this way?
What I'm talking about is not religion in general, but the case when a person declares themselves to be "of a" specific religion, whatever that might be.
What I've encountered frequently on RF is posters who declare themselves to be "of a religion", but who don't follow or believe in any of the basic tenets of that religion. Like Muslims who haven't read the Quran or Christians who haven't read the Bible. To take the example further, I might say to a Muslim, "so, you believe in theocratic rule?". And they say "no". Wait, what?
OTOH, millions of people have changed their religion. Probably not at gun point as you're suggesting, but perhaps based on some reflection and soul searching?
Technically, yes I'm okay with telling some stories, but they aren't about beliefs so they probably are not what you are looking for.
Oh dear, no, no, no... that's not what I'm talking about... yikes!
What I'm saying is that deeply-held aspects of a person's identity - whatever that quality is - can't just be swapped out on instant. Humans don't work that way. The change is gradual, if it ever occurs at all, and at times never does in that human's lifetime. It's part of who that person is, fundamentally, in the right now that matters when someone is seeking employment or goods and services. It's important to note that the government doesn't really define religion much beyond something that is deeply-held and sincere. If it's not deeply-held and sincere, well... it doesn't really warrant protection, does it? It wouldn't need it.
Yes, many Muslims and Christians thankfully don't believe in theocratic rule. Many support religious pluralism and coexistence in society, under the rule of a law that protects people from religious discrimination.
Accusing religious people who support pluralism of not being serious about their religion or of being hypocritical is something I've encountered on this forum and elsewhere. Sam Harris has also done the former when criticizing moderate Muslims. I find that to be quite harmful, because it plays right into the hands of extremists who argue that only their violent, intolerant interpretations of religion are valid.
What do people like Harris want when they make that criticism, anyway? Do they want tolerant religious to become more extreme—and become easier to criticize as "irrational" and hateful—or do they expect moderates to abandon their religion altogether?
Instead of finding common values and emphasizing them with tolerant religious people, it seems that some anti-theists have instead decided to prioritize wholesale demonization of certain religions even when they see examples of reconciliation between said religions and pluralistic values.
I'm quite familiar with non-linear pedagogy as a concept in sports training and coaching (indeed, I regularly use some of its concepts in basketball training). Not so much from my teaching background.
Based on that, I find it hard to believe you've actually been discriminated against based on this but there might be a context to which this theory is applied that I'm missing.
Any useful links, etc?
I'm not sure belief is a choice. Adherence to religion is, I guess, but it's not like turning a tap on or off.
Mostly it's a matter of balancing the rights of different people in a fair and equitable manner.
Shadow Wolf
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Yes, instantly. I dropped Jesus like a brick, and even spirits where thrown out in such a way I've lamented to friends how mean I can be to myself.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It's how psychology sees it, and from my own perspective I have to agree.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I still remember the exact moment in my life when I turned from Christ. And, yes, it was a single moment. It was a fundamental part of my identity and was all I knew. But you know what it's like to be emotionally poisoned for many years? To know what's causing your pain (Jesus said it's not easy to follow him), amd enduring because you know nothing else? But then one day, after learning many things counter to what you was taught, well, for me it wasn't much different than the time I was drunk, on the floor of my brother's floor with a puddle of puke next to me, Alice in Chains Would? playing, and I realized I had take my life in a different direction. Critical thought and logic won out, and a moment of extreme turbulence turned into tranquility amd serenity.
I also had no doubts, secomd guesses or fears. I consider myself lucky for that. But anyone who knows me knows I'm either behind something or I'm not. I was no longer with Jesus, I was done with him, I dropped it all like a brick and it was like a tremendous weight was severed from me.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah and your religion is a naturalistic one, where you believe in science(reason) being able to do morality in the end.
And my religion is a non-metaphyiscal one, where morality is a subjective belief system.
And here is an example of a naturalistic religion, which is objective like some supernatural ones:
Objectivism - Wikipedia
The problem is that you are like most people, who take their own culture as a given in effect as objective but they don't understand it is not.
In short you are for nature and nuture a product of a Greek cultural idea of that we can do morality with reason. We can't as there is no evidence for that, just as there is no evidence for gods.
The problem is this for your version of religion, it is not a special negative one, where religion is something that for general terms can't be observed for in non-religious people as per your understanding.
E.g. that morality is objective as a belief system can also be observed in some non-religious people. Or that it is possible with reason, logic and evidence to say what the universe really is.
In general terms for religion you also do this: "Wherever people live, whenever they live, they find themselves faced with three inescapable problems: how to win food and shelter from their natural environment (the problem nature poses), how to get along with one another (the social problem), and how to relate themselves to the total scheme of things (the religious problem). If this third issue seems less important than the other two, we should remind ourselves that religious artifacts are the oldest that archaeologists have discovered."
You have a belief like everybody else of what the total scheme of things is. The problem is that you have no evidence for that in the end just like everybody else. And you express your beliefs about how to do the natural and social processes like all other humans.
You just believe that you are in effect rational and can do that with a justification that is in effect objective. You can't, but that is so for us all.