"Religion of Peace?"

[Aberamentho]

taqqiya has been adopted across the board by moslems, and it is more than lying about one's religion. I am not ignorant of islam. I hate a stone age convention that suppresses and brutalizes women, produced a brutal legal system, glorifies discrimination, and is inherently violent. Have YOU read the hadith and koran ?

taqqiya has been adopted across the board by moslems, and it is more than lying about one's religion. I am not ignorant of islam.

You just got busted lying about forced conversions so I think it is safe to say you are ignorant of Islam.


So are you refusing to provide proof of what you claimed (lied about)?

That's what you get for lying.

Caught.

 

[Aberamentho]

You sir, cannot grasp what is before your eyes, disregard other koranic, sura's, disregard mohammads forced conversions in the hadith, and totally disregard history. Finding you unsuited for my time, this conversation is done. adieu

I am literally going to keep on you to provide "proof" of "forced conversions in Qur'an and Hadith."

Why?

Because I know you are lying.

You claimed to "know" of something in the Qur'an, Hadith, that I know doesn't exist.

I can't let that go unchecked. Everyone must know you are a liar and will when you can't provide a single instance of proof of what you claim to know, claim I just don't know.

But I do know. Unfortunately for you.

 

[Flame]

Hadith - Book of Belief - Sahih al-Bukhari - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith - Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)) - Sahih al-Bukhari - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

QuranX.com The most complete Quran / Hadith / Tafsir collection available!

Just a few of the quotes from the Hadith on forced conversion.

 

[Aberamentho]

I will check on Shmogie later, but I will not be surprised if he doesn't show up in this thread when he realizes he actually did get caught lying, that the Qur'an itself forbids forced conversions (which he was already shown proof of before saying what he did making it a BLATANT lie), and not one example of it exists in Hadith either.

 

[Aberamentho]

Hadith - Book of Belief - Sahih al-Bukhari - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith - Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)) - Sahih al-Bukhari - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

QuranX.com The most complete Quran / Hadith / Tafsir collection available!

Just a few of the quotes from the Hadith on forced conversion.

These are not quotes, stop lying.

If you are telling the truth type the quote.

You can not do it because you are lying too.

 

[Aberamentho]

Hadith - Book of Belief - Sahih al-Bukhari - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith - Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)) - Sahih al-Bukhari - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

QuranX.com The most complete Quran / Hadith / Tafsir collection available!

Just a few of the quotes from the Hadith on forced conversion.

You mentioned books, quoted nothing though. I wonder why?

No reference numbers either?

FOS.

 

[Flame]

These are not quotes, stop lying.

If you are telling the truth type the quote.

Because clicking links are so hard for you.

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."
"Sahih Bukhari 1:2:25"

"You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind." means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam.
Sahih Bukhari 6:60:80

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah."
Sahih Bukhari 1:8:387

I'll be patiently waiting for your half-hearted diversion.

 

[Aberamentho]

Hadith - Book of Belief - Sahih al-Bukhari - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

Hadith - Prophetic Commentary on the Qur'an (Tafseer of the Prophet (pbuh)) - Sahih al-Bukhari - Sunnah.com - Sayings and Teachings of Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه و سلم)

QuranX.com The most complete Quran / Hadith / Tafsir collection available!

Just a few of the quotes from the Hadith on forced conversion.

For the record the Bukhari and Muslim collections, these exact links, I have saved to my home screen on my phone.

It's a link to the entire series of Ahadith from the two most reliable sources.

But he didn't read any because there is no forced conversion in any Hadith.

Liar.

 

[shmogie]

I am literally going to keep on you to provide "proof" of "forced conversions in Qur'an and Hadith."

Why?

Because I know you are lying.

You claimed to "know" of something in the Qur'an, Hadith, that I know doesn't exist.

I can't let that go unchecked. Everyone must know you are a liar and will when you can't provide a single instance of proof of what you claim to know, claim I just don't know.

But I do know. Unfortunately for you.

Sigh, Q- (3; 83) Do they seek a religion other than the religion of allah, when every soul in heaven and earth has turned to him by choice or compulsion ?
Q(8;38-39)
Q(9-29)
Q(9;5)
Q(9;11) First, if you were in front of me I would knock you on your *** for calling me a liar. Second, I know your "holy books" better than you do, third you are just another mealy mouthed arrogant moslem bozo who has the social skills of a chimpanzee.

 

[shmogie]

What is there to that? Sharia is an explicitly Muslim law.

I realize that Muslim communities will (IMO foolishly) often call for its implementation, but hopefully it will be in vain.

Did it gain any ground somewhere in Europe or America in the last few decades? How and where?

Britain is allowing it for certain cases, the first wedge in the door

 

[Aberamentho]

Because clicking links are so hard for you.

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."
"Sahih Bukhari 1:2:25"

"You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind." means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam.
Sahih Bukhari 6:60:80

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah."
Sahih Bukhari 1:8:387

I'll be patiently waiting for your half-hearted diversion.

Who was forcefully converted here?

Nobody.

This doesn't even mention a person who converted, forcefully or otherwise.

Sorry, it sounds bad, but isn't forced conversion unless someone was actually forcefully converted.

So who was?

 

[shmogie]

Who was forcefully converted here?

Nobody.

This doesn't even mention a person who converted, forcefully or otherwise.

Sorry, it sounds bad, but isn't forced conversion unless someone was actually forcefully converted.

So who was?

bwaaaaa ha ha

 

[Flame]

Who was forcefully converted here?

Nobody.

This doesn't even mention a person who converted, forcefully or otherwise.

Sorry, it sounds bad, but isn't forced conversion unless someone was actually forcefully converted.

So who was?

"While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."

Sahih Bukhari (53:392)

Sounds like an attempt at a forced conversion to me.

 

[Aberamentho]

bwaaaaa ha ha

Exactly, nobody was.

Hadith is not historical, most are considered genuine but many not.

The Qur'an outranks any Hadith and says, literally, there is no compulsion of any sort in religion.

You didn't provide evidence of A forced concersion in Hadith, AND didn't even try with the Qur'an, though you claimed it contains evidence.

Well where is it?

Who did Mohammed (saw) convert by force?

 

[Aberamentho]

"While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."

Sahih Bukhari (53:392)

Sounds like an attempt at a forced conversion to me.

Not even close.

He never even ASKED for conversion.


IF you embrace Islam you will be safe.

Meaning under his protection.

If not, he is telling the survivor from amongst his former enemies to sell their house and get out of town.

 

[Aberamentho]

Not even close.

He never even ASKED for conversion.


IF you embrace Islam you will be safe.

Meaning under his protection.

If not, he is telling the survivors amongst his former enemies to se their house and get out of town.

Is this really hard for people to understand?

He is talking to one of his former enemies who had been defeated.

That is a POW he is letting leave town with his wealth. Rather than kill or convert.

Nice try again.

This is antithetical to forced conversion though, astute one.

 

[Theweirdtophat]

True enough, it is not just against Islam. Just most famously because we are the easiest target now.

But you are correct for sure.

Thank you I just see it all the time, the same patterns, us fighting a war that does not end because it's designed to go on forever in order to generate profits.

When you say we, are you a Muslim or Gnostic, out of curiosity? Are there Islamic Gnostics as well? Just wondering.

 

[Aberamentho]

Sigh, Q- (3; 83) Do they seek a religion other than the religion of allah, when every soul in heaven and earth has turned to him by choice or compulsion ?
Q(8;38-39)
Q(9-29)
Q(9;5)
Q(9;11) First, if you were in front of me I would knock you on your *** for calling me a liar. Second, I know your "holy books" better than you do, third you are just another mealy mouthed arrogant moslem bozo who has the social skills of a chimpanzee.

I think it is clear you are both a liar and do not know nor understand Muslim Holy Books.

Because you have yet to provide evidence of your claim, but think you actually did.

Your last example was an act of mercy so you obviously aren't very bright.

If mistaking an act of mercy for a forced conversion doesn't prove you lied, it proves you at least aren't very bright.

But since you presented yourself as knowledgeable, we have literal proof of your lying.

 

[Aberamentho]

Thank you I just see it all the time, the same patterns, us fighting a war that does not end because it's designed to go on forever in order to generate profits.

When you say we, are you a Muslim or Gnostic, out of curiosity? Are there Islamic Gnostics as well? Just wondering.

Sufis would be considered the Gnostics of Islam, I like the word personally, I don't speak Arabic but there is an equivalent to Gnostic in Arabic, two or three kinds actually.

 

[psychoslice]