Religion or God

[arthra]

is the Religion more important then the God they worship due to mankinds material wants.

Religions have been compared to trees... Over time the tree trunk can atrophy and termites and such can eventually consume it... In nature of course there's a cycle of seed..seedling... tree... decay.. back into soil, etc.

"From the seed of reality, religion has grown into a tree which has put forth leaves and branches, blossoms and fruit. After a time this tree has fallen into a condition of decay. The leaves and blossoms have withered and perished; the tree has become stricken and fruitless. It is not reasonable that man should hold to the old tree, claiming that its life forces are undiminished, its fruit unequalled, its existence eternal. The seed of reality must be sown again in human hearts in order that a new tree may grow therefrom and new divine fruits refresh the world. By this means the nations and peoples now divergent in religion will be brought into unity, imitations will be forsaken and a universal brotherhood in the reality itself will be established."

(Abdu'l-Baha, Baha'i World Faith - Abdu'l-Baha Section, p. 226)

 

[Grandliseur]

Are Religions puting the actual Religion before God.
for eg, if any Religions elders discovered with certainty that what they practice is wrong in every way and God was not what they thought and the Religions practices were wrong.

would they discontinue and shut down or simply keep the new findings secret in order to save the Religion.

If God Said no need for Churches, shut them down, pack it in and Worship from home as individuals, would they keep it secret, disregard Gods wishes and continue on as is.

is the Religion more important then the God they worship due to mankinds material wants.

While many do not want to admit this, the church is setting the dogma. It is not an unbiased teaching where increase in Biblical knowledge leads to a change in dogma.

However, this is a strange question from a Buddhist.

 

[Holdasown]

Religions are a label and not a dirty word. Sometimes people fall into categories and religion is sometimes one of them. I am in a religion, I don't have any other followers in my area and do all my ritual work, spiritual stuff alone. My religion does not keep me from the gods. I am not going to try and explain my religions path without using the religious nomenclature because some people think religion is ugly.

 

[Ubon]

While many do not want to admit this, the church is setting the dogma. It is not an unbiased teaching where increase in Biblical knowledge leads to a change in dogma.

However, this is a strange question from a Buddhist.

strange how

 

[Grandliseur]

strange how

Why you would think of Biblical scripture - is strange to me. I know you have various denominations in Buddhism, but you were not talking about those, were you?

 

[Ubon]

Why you would think of Biblical scripture - is strange to me. I know you have various denominations in Buddhism, but you were not talking about those, were you?

Like most people i talk about Scriptures from various Religions.
Being Buddhist does not mean i am limited to what i can discuss, I have the freedom and the right to discuss anything i choose and i would be strange in fact if i couldnt.
I never refered to Buddism in the post as God is not really relevant in Buddhism

 

[Grandliseur]

Like most people i talk about Scriptures from various Religions.
Being Buddhist does not mean i am limited to what i can discuss, I have the freedom and the right to discuss anything i choose and i would be strange in fact if i couldnt.
I never refered to Buddism in the post as God is not really relevant in Buddhism

I have nothing against you discussing this. I just was unusual to me.
Feel free to ask me anything about the Bible. I am not with any church so I am free from anything, except I go by the Bible.

 

[dfnj]

Are Religions puting the actual Religion before God.
for eg, if any Religions elders discovered with certainty that what they practice is wrong in every way and God was not what they thought and the Religions practices were wrong.

would they discontinue and shut down or simply keep the new findings secret in order to save the Religion.

If God Said no need for Churches, shut them down, pack it in and Worship from home as individuals, would they keep it secret, disregard Gods wishes and continue on as is.

is the Religion more important then the God they worship due to mankinds material wants.

If the church were not able to convince people they are the TRUE authority speaking for God they would not be able to sell any Bibles and collect any tithes.

Absolute authority comes from God from within. If anyone tells you differently they are trying to sell you something or get you to join their cult!

 

[Ubon]

If the church were not able to convince people they are the TRUE authority speaking for God they would not be able to sell any Bibles and collect any tithes.

Absolute authority comes from God from within. If anyone tells you differently they are trying to sell you something or get you to join their cult!

so how is the koran being sold

 

[Ubon]

I have nothing against you discussing this. I just was unusual to me.
Feel free to ask me anything about the Bible. I am not with any church so I am free from anything, except I go by the Bible.

I did single out churches, i could have included mosques and other places of God worship.
Buddhist temples however were left out as they are not places of God Worship.
you follow the Bible but no denomination, very interesting, may i ask why.

 

[Milton Platt]

Are Religions puting the actual Religion before God.
for eg, if any Religions elders discovered with certainty that what they practice is wrong in every way and God was not what they thought and the Religions practices were wrong.

would they discontinue and shut down or simply keep the new findings secret in order to save the Religion.

If God Said no need for Churches, shut them down, pack it in and Worship from home as individuals, would they keep it secret, disregard Gods wishes and continue on as is.

is the Religion more important then the God they worship due to mankinds material wants.

If there was a god, it seems that he could clearly and unequivocally communicate to every living being on the planet what he expected.
Since this has not happened thus far, it is safe to assume that either there is no god, or it is incapable of communicating clearly and uniformly.

The idea of separating a god from religion is a silly notion. Even if each individual worships in their own way, then you still have religion, only you now have billions upon billions of religions.

 

[Grandliseur]

Buddhist temples however were left out as they are not places of God Worship.

Yes, Buddhist say that, and yet in their temples a huge Buddha is where people burn candles before him exist. Sorry, been about 10 or 15 years I visited last, forget. In the Christian mind set, that is an idol. What say you?

you follow the Bible but no denomination, very interesting, may i ask why.

I was raised and told to read the Bible. At that time my father did not emphasize reading church literature, but the Bible, later he changed when I began to disagree with his church.
The Bible and serving God was my life for decades. God put me in a situation where I had time several times a week several hours that were dedicated to pure Bible reading without any literature to interfere with my reading and study. I gathered my study notes into subjects, and gradually a different image of dogma emerged than what the church demanded. By also studying other churches, it became evident that there is no church - though claims to the contrary - that simply teaches what the Bible dogma really is.

When Jesus walked the earth, on the Sabbath he would teach in the Synagogues. Today, if I tried to go up on to the pulpit in a church, JW, LDS, Protestant, uninvited, it would take the bouncers, the police a few minutes before I would be put outside or even arrested. Thus, going into a church and just sitting having to listen to what I cannot agree with is not possible for me. If I cannot show what the Bible really teaches, I have better stay away.

My Bible dogma may or may not agree with various churches in points. I don't mind. My agenda is simply to teach what the Bible says, and if it happens to agree with someone else, so much the merrier on that point. But, this has brought me freedom from the bonds of man, free to pursue what God put in scripture.

 

[dfnj]

so how is the koran being sold

Don't know. Don't care. I just leave the Muslims alone.

 

[Ubon]

Yes, Buddhist say that, and yet in their temples a huge Buddha is where people burn candles before him exist. Sorry, been about 10 or 15 years I visited last, forget. In the Christian mind set, that is an idol. What say you?


I was raised and told to read the Bible. At that time my father did not emphasize reading church literature, but the Bible, later he changed when I began to disagree with his church.
The Bible and serving God was my life for decades. God put me in a situation where I had time several times a week several hours that were dedicated to pure Bible reading without any literature to interfere with my reading and study. I gathered my study notes into subjects, and gradually a different image of dogma emerged than what the church demanded. By also studying other churches, it became evident that there is no church - though claims to the contrary - that simply teaches what the Bible dogma really is.

When Jesus walked the earth, on the Sabbath he would teach in the Synagogues. Today, if I tried to go up on to the pulpit in a church, JW, LDS, Protestant, uninvited, it would take the bouncers, the police a few minutes before I would be put outside or even arrested. Thus, going into a church and just sitting having to listen to what I cannot agree with is not possible for me. If I cannot show what the Bible really teaches, I have better stay away.

My Bible dogma may or may not agree with various churches in points. I don't mind. My agenda is simply to teach what the Bible says, and if it happens to agree with someone else, so much the merrier on that point. But, this has brought me freedom from the bonds of man, free to pursue what God put in scripture.

thr statues of Buddha, kneeling before him, this is not idol worship, he is not God.
Simply giving thanks for showing the way as a teacher, showing gratidude for guiding us.
I do know many pray to him particularly for luck and material things, this is wrong however all Religions have misguided people.