Religion (proper) and science (proper) both must be devoid of superstition?

[paarsurrey]

As they both are truthful.
Religion is higher in status. It covers the whole human life while science is confined in its limits. Religion supports science as it is useful for the human beings. Please
Regards

 

[Debater Slayer]

As they both are truthful.
Religion is higher in status. It covers the whole human life while science is confined in its limits. Religion supports science as it is useful for the human beings. Please
Regards

I find the comparison between science and religion as rivals rather than different fields to be of little value. For many people, religion fulfills the search for purpose and meaning in ways that science doesn't deal with, and science aids in survival in various ways that religion doesn't. Scripture doesn't talk about black holes or neutron stars like science does, and science doesn't talk about deities, prayer, reincarnation, or theological concepts like religion does.

Sometimes the two fields overlap in that they make claims about the same subjects, but that's not usually the case. For instance, the interpretation of the Bible that says humans were created in their current form by God contradicts established scientific facts, so this is an area where said interpretation could be compared to science as a rival rather than a different field. But on the whole, it seems to me that religion and science serve different functions. You can be sure I won't be seeing an imam or a priest to seek treatment next time I have a fever, just as I can be sure that you won't be going to a doctor or a pharmacy next time you want to pray or learn about religion.

 

[YmirGF]

The OP is heavily flawed due to the reality that religion is deeply rooted in superstition.

 

[paarsurrey]

I find the comparison between science and religion as rivals rather than different fields to be of little value. For many people, religion fulfills the search for purpose and meaning in ways that science doesn't deal with, and science aids in survival in various ways that religion doesn't. Scripture doesn't talk about black holes or neutron stars like science does, and science doesn't talk about deities, prayer, reincarnation, or theological concepts like religion does.

Sometimes the two fields overlap, but that's not usually the case. For instance, the interpretation of the Bible that says humans were created in their current form by God contradicts established scientific facts, so this is an area where said interpretation could be compared to science as a rival rather than a different field. But on the whole, it seems to me that religion and science serve different functions. You can be sure I won't be seeing an imam or a priest to seek treatment next time I have a fever, just as I can be sure that you won't be going to a doctor or a pharmacy next time you want to pray or learn about religion.

"science and religion as rivals rather than different fields"
"But on the whole, it seems to me that religion and science serve different functions"

Religion and science generally work in different fields and do different useful functions, needed by humanity.
Regards

 

[Debater Slayer]

"science and religion as rivals rather than different fields"
"But on the whole, it seems to me that religion and science serve different functions"
Religion and science generally work in different fields and do different useful functions, needed by humanity.
Regards

I beg to differ. A lot of people don't need religion, me included. Science, on the other hand, is pretty much universally beneficial to humanity, with few exceptions. It allows us to talk about science and religion on an Internet forum, for one simple example. We probably couldn't do that through religion.

 

[paarsurrey]

The OP is heavily flawed due to the reality that religion is deeply rooted in superstition.

The reality is that the truthful religion has no superstition in it.
Those who do such things do on their own, neither supported by religion nor science, such persons could belong to science or even Atheism or whatever.
I don't agree with one.
Regards

 

[Terese]

The OP is heavily flawed due to the reality that religion is deeply rooted in superstition.

Deeply rooted ay? What's your definition of religion?

 

[Skwim]

Q. Religion (proper) and science (proper) both must be devoid of superstition?

A. No. Religion can have all the superstition it needs. In fact, the more it has the more interesting it is.


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[Dawnofhope]

This is an interesting post and especially interesting to hear these ideas from the perspective of a Muslim. Islam made a great contribution to civilisation through the Islamic golden age. Bagdad was properly the greatest centre of learning of sciences and the arts and its influence greatly contributed to the progress of Europe beyond the Middle ages. On the other hand I am aware that many Muslim countries shunned the learning in the West that eclipsed that of the Orient and the Ottoman empire for example went into a long slow decline.

Many feel that religion is not necessary but historically it has been the most potent force for the spiritual and moral advancement of humanity, both positive and negative.

 

[paarsurrey]

This is an interesting post and especially interesting to hear these ideas from the perspective of a Muslim. Islam made a great contribution to civilisation through the Islamic golden age. Bagdad was properly the greatest centre of learning of sciences and the arts and its influence greatly contributed to the progress of Europe beyond the Middle ages. On the other hand I am aware that many Muslim countries shunned the learning in the West that eclipsed that of the Orient and the Ottoman empire for example went into a long slow decline.

Many feel that religion is not necessary but historically it has been the most potent force for the spiritual and moral advancement of humanity, both positive and negative.

It happened because the Muslim, with time, lost the moderation and open mindedness Quran envisages.

Regards

 

[YmirGF]

Deeply rooted ay?

Unfortunately for theists, yes.

What's your definition of religion?

Do we really have to go down that rabbit hole? Seriously?

 

[YmirGF]

Many feel that religion is not necessary but historically it has been the most potent force for the spiritual and moral advancement of humanity, both positive and negative.

That is likely due to the inherent superstitious nature of people before the 20th century when modern science came into its own. Given this reality, it's a tad obvious claiming that it was a great influence, in and of itself, simply because there was no competition to oppose religious authority. In a very real sense, big farking deal.

 

[Dawnofhope]

That is likely due to the inherent superstitious nature of people before the 20th century when modern science came into its own. Given this reality, it's a tad obvious claiming that it was a great influence, in and of itself, simply because there was no competition to oppose religious authority. In a very real sense, big farking deal.

Ok, let take the premise that religion is a fiction at best and opiate to the masses at worse. The only thing then is erradicate it as quickly as possible and create a society where this so called religious stupidity and corruption is not tolerated. This of course was Marxism initially adopted by Russia and then spread over 1/3 of the worlds population. How did that experiment work for humanity? It created some of the worst atrocities, that are unparalleled in human history.

 

[YmirGF]

Ok, let take the premise that religion is a fiction at best and opiate to the masses at worse. The only thing then is erradicate it as quickly as possible and create a society where this so called religious stupidity and corruption is not tolerated. This of course was Marxism initially adopted by Russia and then spread over 1/3 of the worlds population. How did that experiment work for humanity? It created some of the worst atrocities, that are unparalleled in human history.

This isn't germane to the point I was making and I think you are smart enough to realize it.

 

[Dawnofhope]

This isn't germane to the point I was making and I think you are smart enough to realize it.

Its not easy to critically evaluate world history and make sense of it. I'm having a little trouble understanding you. How about rephrasing it so we can have a sensible conversation about it?

 

[omega2xx]

I find the comparison between science and religion as rivals rather than different fields to be of little value. For many people, religion fulfills the search for purpose and meaning in ways that science doesn't deal with, and science aids in survival in various ways that religion doesn't. Scripture doesn't talk about black holes or neutron stars like science does, and science doesn't talk about deities, prayer, reincarnation, or theological concepts like religion does.

Sometimes the two fields overlap in that they make claims about the same subjects, but that's not usually the case. For instance, the interpretation of the Bible that says humans were created in their current form by God contradicts established scientific facts, so this is an area where said interpretation could be compared to science as a rival rather than a different field. But on the whole, it seems to me that religion and science serve different functions. You can be sure I won't be seeing an imam or a priest to seek treatment next time I have a fever, just as I can be sure that you won't be going to a doctor or a pharmacy next time you want to pray or learn about religion.

You post has a lot of truth, but as an avowed creationist I can't let one of your remarks go unchallenged---That humans were not created by God in their current form, does contradict what you consider an established scientific fact. Since you can't prove that idea, you accept man did evolve for apes, the same way I accept he did not---by faith alone.

Since I can't convince you that you are wrong, I do not care to get involved in the never ending debate about which view is right, If you have some scientific evidence to support your view, pleas present it. If not lets just agree to disagree.

Have a nice day.

 

[omega2xx]

The OP is heavily flawed due to the reality that religion is deeply rooted in superstition.

Your response is heavily flawed unless you can point to the superstitions in Christianity. There may be some in other religions.

 

[Kirran]

You post has a lot of truth, but as an avowed creationist I can't let one of your remarks go unchallenged---That humans were not created by God in their current form, does contradict what you consider an established scientific fact. Since you can't prove that idea, you accept man did evolve for apes, the same way I accept he did not---by faith alone.

Since I can't convince you that you are wrong, I do not care to get involved in the never ending debate about which view is right, If you have some scientific evidence to support your view, pleas present it. If not lets just agree to disagree.

Have a nice day.

A creationist could well hold the belief that God has created everything in its current forms in just such a way that it appears as if they have evolved through the processes of natural selection etc. That isn't unprovable, although that means it's not provable either. So that's where blind faith comes in.

 

[omega2xx]

Q. Religion (proper) and science (proper) both must be devoid of superstition?

A. No. Religion can have all the superstition it needs. In fact, the more it has the more interesting it is..

As someone just said, "true religions have no superstitions. You being such an expert on religions, maybe you could post some superstitions Christianity has.

 

[omega2xx]

A creationist could well hold the belief that God has created everything in its current forms in just such a way that it appears as if they have evolved through the processes of natural selection etc. That isn't unprovable, although that means it's not provable either. So that's where blind faith comes in.

When neither view can be proved, we must turn to what is most logic al. IMO, it is not logical for a creation not only to have a Creator, since all of the processes we have work perfectly the same way all the time, we also need an Intelligent designer.


Christian faith is not blind---Faith is the assurance of things hope for, the conviction of things not seen---Heb 11:1.