Religionist, by their very existence, go against the will of God.

[S-word]

Mankind was not given all the knowledge of what is good and bad, but blindly followed the inner commands of his ancestral God, we had to learn for ourselves whether those commands were good or bad. Like all animals, the first man simply obeyed the inner genetic inheritance or the gathered ancestral experiences, which we see as instintive behaviour.

The upright walking serpent through who Lucifer the Light bearer spoke, said to Eve, that by eating of the forbidden fruit, they would become just like God, and know what is good and what is bad, which words proved to be true. For after the original sin, God said, "Now man has become just like us, judging for himself that which is good and bad, and now, untill the war within him subsides, get him out of the garden in which is the tree of eternal life etc.

OH thou, who man of baser earth didst make
And even with paradise, devised the snake
For all the sin wherewith the face of man is blacken'd
Man's forgiveness give, and take..... Omar Khayyam.

 

[sojourner]

By looking to him to save us.

We were told to make our own choices and laws, not to rely on an alien God.

A more natural view in my estimation.

An ant has an ant for a God.
A lion has a lion for a God.
A man should have a man for a God.

The first God was a man and the last is to be as well.

Dominion says we lead ourselves, not follow.

To place any God that is not a man in front of us is rejecting God's gift of Dominion.
that would be foolish and ungrateful.

Regards
DL

My, how the dense doth sink!
The Bible tells us that we are made in God's image. God is not made in ours. All creation has God for God. Ants...have God. Lions...have...that's right! God. And humans have...go ahead...say it, we all already know: God. For God to be God, God is, first and foremost, creator. God created all that is. Therefore, all that is has God as its God.

BTW, we did claim dominion over that which we were given dominion over.

We were to ld to rely on God, but we chose to make our own laws.

Once again, you might want to check your facts before you post.

 

[sojourner]

We are, even inadvertently, and therefore need to develop moral sense.

Regards
DL

We are only capable of immoral acts because we chose to be capable. We chose to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Not God. It is through our own sin that we are in need of moral sense.

 

[S-word]

My, how the dense doth sink!

The Bible tells us that we are made in God's image. God is not made in ours. All creation has God for God. Ants...have God. Lions...have...that's right! God. And humans have...go ahead...say it, we all already know: God. For God to be God, God is, first and foremost, creator. God created all that is. Therefore, all that is has God as its God.

BTW, we did claim dominion over that which we were given dominion over.

We were to ld to rely on God, but we chose to make our own laws.

Once again, you might want to check your facts before you post.

You are quite correct, we were made in the image and likeness of God who is made manifest as the physical universe, everything that can be known about God, both his divine nature and his eternal power can be seen in the creation itself.

God is not made in the image of a mortal man, but man is the micro universe made in the image of God, the Macro universal being who is all that there is and in all that there is.

I wonder why, do you suppose that there are people so ignorant, as to be deceived into worshipping, 'in the image of a mortal man,' the immortal God who pervades all that exists?

 

[Greatest I am]

Mankind was not given all the knowledge of what is good and bad, but blindly followed the inner commands of his ancestral God, we had to learn for ourselves whether those commands were good or bad. Like all animals, the first man simply obeyed the inner genetic inheritance or the gathered ancestral experiences, which we see as instintive behaviour.

The upright walking serpent through who Lucifer the Light bearer spoke, said to Eve, that by eating of the forbidden fruit, they would become just like God, and know what is good and what is bad, which words proved to be true. For after the original sin, God said, "Now man has become just like us, judging for himself that which is good and bad, and now, untill the war within him subsides, get him out of the garden in which is the tree of eternal life etc.

OH thou, who man of baser earth didst make
And even with paradise, devised the snake
For all the sin wherewith the face of man is blacken'd
Man's forgiveness give, and take..... Omar Khayyam.

Did God have an internal war as well?
If we are like him then he is like us.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

We are only capable of immoral acts because we chose to be capable. We chose to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Not God. It is through our own sin that we are in need of moral sense.

Cows do not need it.

Would you stop Eve and become as bright as a cow?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

You are quite correct, we were made in the image and likeness of God who is made manifest as the physical universe, everything that can be known about God, both his divine nature and his eternal power can be seen in the creation itself.

God is not made in the image of a mortal man, but man is the micro universe made in the image of God, the Macro universal being who is all that there is and in all that there is.

I wonder why, do you suppose that there are people so ignorant, as to be deceived into worshipping, 'in the image of a mortal man,' the immortal God who pervades all that exists?

Because man can enforce his Dominion. God cannot and does not.

Regards
DL

 

[S-word]

Because man can enforce his Dominion. God cannot and does not.

Regards
DL

surely you are not suggesting for one moment, that there are animals out there who would force their will upon the ignorant and gullible in order to controll their minds and their finances, by creating a god in the form of a mortal man?

 

[Greatest I am]

surely you are not suggesting for one moment, that there are animals out there who would force their will upon the ignorant and gullible in order to controll their minds and their finances, by creating a god in the form of a mortal man?

Your immortal God has yet to be shown as a viable option to many who follow a Secularist God.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

surely you are not suggesting for one moment, that there are animals out there who would force their will upon the ignorant and gullible in order to controll their minds and their finances, by creating a god in the form of a mortal man?

Who else but a man can put words to the will of God and the spirit of the law ?

Regards
DL

 

[sojourner]

Did God have an internal war as well?
If we are like him then he is like us.

Regards
DL

If you'll be so kind as to read Genesis 3:22-23, you will see that it mentions nothing about a war. The poster is wrong.
We were created in God's image, and then we chose to sin. First...second. There's a reason why the "created in God's image" comes before "our eyes were opened." Because we weren't created with sin or in sin.

 

[sojourner]

Cows do not need it.

Would you stop Eve and become as bright as a cow?

Regards
DL

Cows aren't created in God's image, either.

 

[sojourner]

Because man can enforce his Dominion. God cannot and does not.

Regards
DL

Oh? Show me one irrefutable fact to back that up.

 

[sojourner]

Who else but a man can put words to the will of God and the spirit of the law ?

Regards
DL

God spoke first. And then gave us the gift of speech.

 

[Greatest I am]

Oh? Show me one irrefutable fact to back that up.

You make me laugh.

You should not take as literal truth, a book that begins with a talking snake and ends with a seven headed monster.

Look about and you will see much of mans dominion. You will see none of God's direct retrobution against evil doers. If there were then this would not be.

YouTube - African Witch Children Pt 1 (2008)

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

God spoke first. And then gave us the gift of speech.

You mean that God is responsible for all those unintelligible blatherings ?

It is no wonder then that no one listens to him anymore.

Regards
DL

 

[lockyfan]

Actually logician we should be thanking that snake! It freed us to be able to think for ourselves. To bad it didn't grant us wisdom along with that though. Wisdom only seems to be attained through trial and error!

That is what history is for. Without Eve and the snake though we would not even have that.

Thank God Eve ate.

Regards
DL

Actually you see in the garden there. Eve did have the ability to think for herself. She made the wrong choice, but she was able to think for herself

 

[sojourner]

You make me laugh.

You should not take as literal truth, a book that begins with a talking snake and ends with a seven headed monster.

Look about and you will see much of mans dominion. You will see none of God's direct retrobution against evil doers. If there were then this would not be.

YouTube - African Witch Children Pt 1 (2008)

Regards
DL

Actually, I don't read the Bible literalistically. But we do have to be able to discern the literary devices that the authors use. The allegorical language is meant to convey truths. While the story is, of course, allegory, it does convey a theological truth that I take very seriously.

In point of fact, it appears as though it's you who are forcing a literalistic interpretation to "prove" your point. Why this obsession with human domination? And why use the Bible to try to prove your point? It just ain't in there!


I look about and I see many, many instances of God's dominion, and also many examples of human sin. Prove me wrong.:curtsy:

Of course people beat up on each other. And that's very childish behavior. Just because I see a two-year-old hit a playmate over the head with a Tonka truck doesn't mean that I have to act in kind. I don't believe God "takes things out on us." God loves us. The Bible, in many places portrays God as wrathful. An ancient POV that most of us don't share today. But the Bible also presents us with the overarching theme of God's beneficence. In fact, the whole point of many of the stories where God is wrathful have to do, not with themes of dominance, but with themes of providence.
And, yes: I do believe that God saves us.

 

[Greatest I am]

Actually you see in the garden there. Eve did have the ability to think for herself. She made the wrong choice, but she was able to think for herself

She gave us morals.

How is that the wrong choice ?

Would you give up your morals ?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Actually, I don't read the Bible literalistically. But we do have to be able to discern the literary devices that the authors use. The allegorical language is meant to convey truths. While the story is, of course, allegory, it does convey a theological truth that I take very seriously.

In point of fact, it appears as though it's you who are forcing a literalistic interpretation to "prove" your point. Why this obsession with human domination? And why use the Bible to try to prove your point? It just ain't in there!


I look about and I see many, many instances of God's dominion, and also many examples of human sin. Prove me wrong.:curtsy:

quote]

Who has dominion over you, a creature of this earth ?
If You then raise a hand.
If God then do not raise hand. Let God do it.

No B S now on nothing happening without God.

This proves that you have dominion over your small part of reality and this precedent gives mankind dominion. A key to dominion is the ability to punish. Man punishes. God does not.

Regards
DL