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Religions that are actually evil?

First Baseman

Retired athlete
Christianity is purposefully evil, it is a snare established within the Tanakh, and by the Torah (Law) to catch out the workers of iniquity....
  • Accusing God of first degree murder.
  • Washing in, and drinking the blood of somebody.
  • To say it is good news, that your best friend was murdered in front of his mother.
  • To make a covenant with somebody's death, so you can claim to be sinless.
  • To murder someone, so you can steal their inheritance.
  • Etc... :innocent:

That's rather weird, I think. I've never heard anything like that before. Obviously you are not familiar with Jesus or the NT teachings.

You are aware of the fact that Jesus taught that we should love everyone else as ourselves, right? He did not teach hate in any shape or form. So your conclusions sound rather misconstrued to me.
 
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McBell

Unbound
All of those are value-based judgments. Adherents of various religions, even Satanists, believe they are right and therefore "good". It takes external observers, from competing religions, to label others as wrong or evil.

The only people that are truly evil are those that society judges as sociopaths. The truth is, such people are either mentally ill and not responsible for their deeds, or in rare cases- they are doing the work of demons in service to Satan.

Demons are never to be trusted, even if they promise to enrich you with material wealth or all the intimate knowledge of the universe.
Seems you forgot the very first sentence in your very own post.....
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
Obviously you are not familiar with Jesus or the NT teachings.
Sorry should have defined that a bit better, and included that Christianity comes from the Pharisees John, Paul and Simon the stone (petros)....

Yeshua in the synoptic gospels didn't state the things listed, and many have been deceived as he prophesied would happen.
He did not teach hate in any shape or form.
Luk 14:26 “If anyone comes to me, and doesn’t hate his own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he can’t be my disciple.
You are aware of the fact that Jesus taught that we should love everyone else as ourselves, right?
He reiterated what the Tanakh said, love God first, and then love your neighbor as yourself.

Yet what Yeshua stated within the synoptic gospels, is nothing to do with Christianity which blatantly contradicts him on most points. :innocent:
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Religions aren't evil - even people aren't evil. However, people can do evil things. Of course, religion is a popular reason for people to exercise evil - and often self-righteously. Some religions more than others, depending on time and place.
 

vaguelyhumanoid

Active Member
and Santa Meurte (Saint Death, as in to help them kill enemies...). They would probably consider themselves Catholic, but honestly by any moral consideration this is evil. :)

I know a guy who honors Santa Muerte. What you are saying here is a huge misunderstanding. To the best of my knowledge, Santa Muerte is a syncretic form of an Aztec goddess and the most popular folk saint in Mexico. She is the patron of outcasts, including criminals, immigrants, homeless people and LGBTQ people. She's not viewed as some demonic assassin, but rather a saint who defends the downtrodden because all are equal in death. Even people of other ethnicities have started venerating her, and iirc there is a shrine to her in Canada.
 

Angy Ex Arcana

Pagan Priestess
Religions aren't evil - even people aren't evil. However, people can do evil things. Of course, religion is a popular reason for people to exercise evil - and often self-righteously. Some religions more than others, depending on time and place.



I agree partially with you
But when the religious order "kill those who do not follow my rules"?
It is always the evil man; or not?
 

Mindmaster

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I know a guy who honors Santa Muerte. What you are saying here is a huge misunderstanding. To the best of my knowledge, Santa Muerte is a syncretic form of an Aztec goddess and the most popular folk saint in Mexico. She is the patron of outcasts, including criminals, immigrants, homeless people and LGBTQ people. She's not viewed as some demonic assassin, but rather a saint who defends the downtrodden because all are equal in death. Even people of other ethnicities have started venerating her, and iirc there is a shrine to her in Canada.

Yes, but context is everything. Gangsters do pray to her to make people die. Please go ahead and tell me not, I'll laugh, mostly. :) This is a pretty dark aspect.
 

GoodbyeDave

Well-Known Member
Why would you consider Moloch worshipers as more evil, - then say, YHVH's worshipers? And why would modern Moloch worshipers be evil?
Actually, the name Moloch is unknown outside the Bible. As for the idea that children were sacrificed to him (whoever he was supposed to be), many scholars consider this a blood libel, like the claims made in Medieval Europe that the Jews sacrificed children, or the "abominable practices" attributed to Christians by Tacitus.
 

Riders

Well-Known Member
That's rather weird, I think. I've never heard anything like that before. Obviously you are not familiar with Jesus or the NT teachings.

You are aware of the fact that Jesus taught that we should love everyone else as ourselves, right? He did not teach hate in any shape or form. So your conclusions sound rather misconstrued to me.


Well I live in Mesquite Tx which is mostly Christian and I have to say I wouldn't say this to any of them. Although I don't find the religion itself evil I do find the majority of churches evil.

They seem to be lieing to manipulate people to egt them into church a lot. It always seems like theres a scam. 1 thing a lot of them say is youll have a lot of friends here and get to hang out with friends if you go to my church.

A lot of them seem to be saying that to me its amoral. I don't go to church to get friends. I have family and friends and if anyone goes to church for that reason theyre amoral and its not right for the church to do that.

In other words theyre prostituting theyre friendship in order to get people in church. To me its makes them liars and many times they seem to be lieing to manipulate people.

If I were going to join a Christian church it would be the Catholic church.They never did anything to get me in because they don't try to convert people all the time.

When I visited Mass I stayed by myself,I wanted to pray alone and be alone with God. For crying outloud I didn't go to make friends.
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Actually, the name Moloch is unknown outside the Bible. As for the idea that children were sacrificed to him (whoever he was supposed to be), many scholars consider this a blood libel, like the claims made in Medieval Europe that the Jews sacrificed children, or the "abominable practices" attributed to Christians by Tacitus.

Which doesn't actually answer my question.

Also, we do find child-sacrifice in the Bible.

Eze 20:25 Wherefore - I (YHVH) - gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

Eze 20:26 And - I - polluted them in their own gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the LORD.

Exodus 22: 29 –Thou shalt not delay TO OFFER the FIRST of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: THE FIRSTBORN OF THY SONS SHALT THOU GIVE UNTO ME.

Leviticus 27: 28, 29 Notwithstanding NO devoted thing, that a man shall devote unto the Lord of all that he hath, BOTH OF MAN and beast, and of the field of his possession, shall be sold or redeemed: every devoted thing is most holy unto the Lord.

29 – None devoted, which shall be devoted of men shall be redeemed; BUT SHALL SURELY BE PUT TO DEATH.

"The custom of causing one's children to pass through the fire seems to have been general in the Northern Kingdom [IV (II) Kings, xvii, 17; Ezech. xxiii, 37], and it gradually grew in the Southern, encouraged by the royal example of Achaz (IV Kings, xvi, 3) and Manasses [IV (II) Kings, xvi, 6] till it became prevalent in the time of the prophet Jeremias (Jerem. xxxii, 35), when King Josias suppressed the worship of Moloch and defiled Tophet [IV (II) Kings, xxiii, 13 (10)]. It is not improbable that this worship was revived under Joakim and continued until the Babylonian Captivity … "

"… In other words, the Melech to whom child-sacrifices were offered was Yahweh under another name. To uphold this view appeal is made in particular to Jer., vii, 31; xix, 5, and to Ezech., xx, 25-31."- Catholic Encyclopedia

This was interesting - "Moloch (Masoretic מֹלֶךְ mōlek, Greek Μολώχ) is the Biblical name of a Canaanite god or possibly an ancient form of propitiatory child sacrifice by parents as sacrifice for the deity."

"In 1841, both Georg Friedrich Daumer and Friedrich Wilhelm Ghillany published influential works on the topic.[18] These authors came to the conclusion that the Biblical text reflect an original identity of Molek and Yahweh, and that the cult of Yahweh grew out of that of Molek by the abolishing of human sacrifice. The authors find numerous instances of vestigial references to human sacrifice, most notably the law that all firstborns must be "consecrated" or "given" to Yahweh (Exodus 13:2, 22:28)." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch

That last is interesting because there are a couple of Tanakh verses that say they knew YHVH by other names.

Gen 3:15 And Elohiym continued, saying to Moses: You shall say this to the sons of Israel, YHVH, the Elohiym of your fathers, the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac, and the Elohiym of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is how I should be remembered from generation to generation.

Exo 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by God Almighty, but by my name YHVH was I not known to them.

And of course Abraham goes to sacrifice Isaac on an alter of fire. (Genesis 22)

I've said before, - that I think these verses show a change from child-sacrifice.

And we have had several discussions here about the Hebrew actually being Nomadic Canaanites - from whence comes the child-sacrifice.

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Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I disagree.
Unlike other misfortunes, those considered to be evil arise out of the intention of others. For an act to be evil it must intended to do harm to another. Now, you may not think that deliberately chopping off someone's left arm when they don't want you to is evil, but I wouldn't think such a thing "might be considered virtuous by another." In fact, I would put those who think such an act is really bad, even evil, at at least 99.9999%. So let's not quibble about the crazy 0.0001% who don't. Point being, there a lot of acts that are simply so reprehensible that it would be perverse to deny their evilness. Gotta stay real. Therefore, I consider an evil act or person as something or someone involving deliberate harm. In short, Evil = deliberate, uncalled for harm; "uncalled for" to distinguish it from acts of defense, and "harm" being physical or mental damage.

The question of something being evil therefore depends on whether or not an act was uncalled for and deliberately done to inflict physical or mental damage. And I think this rather simple requisite can be applied easily enough to determine if the word "evil" is an appropriate descriptive.


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My point was that there is no universially agreed upon criteria to define "evil". You and I are considered "evil" by many for not beliving in or adhering to religion X or Y, for example.

However, even the likes of Nazis and ISIS didn't/don't see themselves as evil, and even seen/saw heinous atrocities such like genocide and rape as justifiable. Of course, the vast majority of humanity considers such acts evil. However, I wouldn't say evil is defined by consensus, because in ancient times many cruel injustices were accepted social norms.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
My point was that there is no universially agreed upon criteria to define "evil". You and I are considered "evil" by many for not beliving in or adhering to religion X or Y, for example.

However, even the likes of Nazis and ISIS didn't/don't see themselves as evil, and even seen/saw heinous atrocities such like genocide and rape as justifiable. Of course, the vast majority of humanity considers such acts evil. However, I wouldn't say evil is defined by consensus, because in ancient times many cruel injustices were accepted social norms.
You're right, not everybody who does evil things by our criteria, would agree it qualifies as such. However, I see the disagreement only arising in the perception of "uncalled for harm." Where we would see a specific harm as uncalled for, they would not. A subjective perception for sure, but I don't see this as invalidating my definition of "evil": deliberate, uncalled for harm. I think this works quite well as a universal definition. However, if you or anyone else doesn't feel so I'm all ears. What are its failings?


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Father Heathen

Veteran Member
You're right, not everybody who does evil things by our criteria, would agree it qualifies as such. However, I see the disagreement only arising in the perception of "uncalled for harm." Where we would see a specific harm as uncalled for, they would not. A subjective perception for sure, but I don't see this as invalidating my definition of "evil": deliberate, uncalled for harm. I think this works quite well as a universal definition. However, if you or anyone else doesn't feel so I'm all ears. What are its failings?


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You might get people to agree that evil = deliberate and undue harm. What you might have a harder time getting them to agree upon is whether or not any particular action is undue.
 
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