outhouse
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Not one bity of this is considered anything but religion and mythology.
It factually is not taken as credible history
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Religious Affiliation in USA Continues to Decline. WHY?
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Not one bity of this is considered anything but religion and mythology.
It factually is not taken as credible history
Couldn't we call the mid-heavens where the birds fly as a literal heaven because it is Not a symbolic heaven.
According to the Bible's historical record ( according to Scripture ) the Flood was over 4,350 years ago, so Noah would have existed at the time of the Flood.- Genesis chapter 5
Why is the exact date so important instead of its prophetic significance when Jesus connected our day to Noah's day - Matthew 24:37 - as a warning example for haughty goat-like people at the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on earth as mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33.
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Perhaps even the similar global flood legends are Not taken as credible, but if there was No Flood there would Not be so many overlapping similar Flood Legends in earth's history.
No Flood would equal No Flood Legends, but there are many similar flood accounts found on earth's continents and islands of the sea.
outhouse
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There were many floods.
But not one as described in biblical mythology.
The only overlapping ones were the ones the Israelites used in their mythology. Funny while in exile in Babylon, they all of a sudden have Babylonian flood myths in their religion.
They even say Noah was from there as well.
You really need to learn real history, and understand how much we really do know without guessing. It would help you better understand the biblical text giving it more value.
Where does it say in Scripture Noah was from Babylon ?
Especially when the Jews mixed with them, and later with the Greeks, they adopted theories and philosophies as Scripture when Not taught in Scripture.
Yes, there are many historical flood accounts such as the overlapping accounts listed below :
Australia - Kurnai
Babylon- Berossus' account
Babylon - Gilgamesh epic
Bolivia - Chiriguano
Borneo - Sea Dayak
Britiah - Druid and Bardic deluge
Burma - Singpho
Canada - Cree
Canada - Montagnais
China - Lolo
Cuba - original natives
Danish NOrse - ymir's Deluge
East Adrica - Masai
Egypt - Book of the Dead
Fiji -Walavu-levu tradition
Finish - Kalevala
French Polynesia - Raiatea
Fresian - Oera Llinda Book
Greece - Lucian's account
Guyana - Macushi
Irish - Keating deluge
Iceland - Eddas
Inca - Viracocha
India -Andaman Islands
India - Bhil
Indian legends of the Pacific Northwest.
Indian - Kamar
Iran - Zend-Avest
Italy - Ovid's poetry
Malay Peninsula - Jakun
Mexico - Codex Chimalpopoca
Mexico - Huichol
New Zealdand - Maori
Peru - Indians of Huarochiri
Russia - vogul
Alaska - Kolusches
Alaska - Tlingit
Arizona - Papago
Hawaii - Legend of Nu-u
Vanuatu - Melanesians
Vietnam - Bahnor
Wales - Dwyfan/Fwfack legend
Plus :
1st century BCE Varro
Ogygian 2136 De Re Rustical III 1.3 world wide flood
Greek Poet Nonnus entire earth flood - Dionysiasa III 205-207
P.S. Not sure I got all the ^ above ^ spelling right since my handwriting leaves something to be desired.
outhouse
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They do not overlap like the Mesopotamian mythology.
How many of those were tsunamis?
How many were river floods?
Sorry your desperation shows.
outhouse
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Again, your methodology here is why people are leaving the church. People watch and see your desperation trying to fit mythology into REAL history, and they run from it because its blatant mythology that never happened. It is mythology by all credible accounts. And factually has no historicity as ever taking place.
People are not stupid, it is easy to see how Israelite cultures plagiarized the previous flood mythology from Mesopotamia while in exile there.
There is no evidence for a global flood and the whole world knows this, the SEVERE fanaticism of those who hold this position goes against all credible academia and knowledge. And THEIR desperation is very transparent in light of all the evidence we possess today.
While you only have mythology to back ALL of your claims. Fundamentalism is a terrible thing for humanity.
People are not stupid, it is easy to see how Israelite cultures plagiarized the previous flood mythology from Mesopotamia while in exile there.
There is no evidence for a global flood and the whole world knows this, the SEVERE fanaticism of those who hold this position goes against all credible academia and knowledge. And THEIR desperation is very transparent in light of all the evidence we possess today.
While you only have mythology to back ALL of your claims. Fundamentalism is a terrible thing for humanity.
Did you notice the similarities between the legends and the Flood account being similar ?
What do any tsunamis or river floods have to do with only a few saved on earth as reported in the many flood legends ?
outhouse
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Flood killed many people who settled on flood plains
that is how noahs mythology started.And people know this, they are not falling for the literal interpretation of mythology so you are a prime example of why people are running away from religion.
YOU refuse education and knowledge, and its blatantly obvious.
Flood killed many people who settled on flood plains
And people know this, they are not falling for the literal interpretation of mythology so you are a prime example of why people are running away from religion.
YOU refuse education and knowledge, and its blatantly obvious.
Education about what ? I merely asked if you checked about the global similar flood legends about only a few being saved, and Not about flood plains, etc.
Since you have Not checked, then it seems you are refusing to check.
I am referring to what the Bible really teaches.
If you were studying English you would ask an English teacher
If you were studying Math you would ask a Math teacher
If you were studying the Bible you would ask a Bible teacher as did the Ethiopian official ask of Acts of the Apostles 8:30-33; Acts of the Apostles 8:34-36
So, I am giving you what the Bible really teaches as opposed to religious tradition or customs outside of Scripture just being taught as Scripture.
No genuine Christian is forcing anyone to believe the Bible, but one interested in God or the Bible should at least to be educated in what the Bible really teaches.
People ' running away from religion ' is as expected that religious ' waters ' ( people ) will ' dry up spiritually ' before the soon coming time of Matthew 25:31-33.
- Revelation 16:12; Revelation 17:1; Revelation 17:15; Isaiah 57:20
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Jesus in me
I believe your logic is flawed. Water does not dissolve elements. I believe there is nothing in those verses that indicates that Peter was not spaeking of a literal dissolving of elements.
I believe Rev 21:1 is also speaking of a literal new heaven and earth.
Mt 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. I will take the testimony of Jesus who knows everything before taking the testimony of Solomon who largely had earthly wisdom.
How could all those people bring witness of the same global flood if they all drowned in it?
Ciao
- viole
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Witness or handed-down information.
According to Scripture we are all descendants of one of Noah's three sons.
They would have first-hand knowledge ( eye-witness accounts ) of what transpired before, during and after the Flood.
Especially when the ancient people migrated out from ancient Babylon, they would have taken with them the Flood accounts which started from Noah's sons.
As legends go they have things added or subtracted as the story gets handed down and retold. So, variations would happen.
The many earth-wide legends have a similar or overlapping idea of a major flood in which only a few survivors to populate the earth.
If there was No such Flood, then it would be highly unlikely there would exist so many similar legends woven into mankind's history.
P.S. Scripture teaches Not to carve an Idol and definitely Not call and idol as God.
We are to ' walk by faith, and Not by sight ' ( meaning Not by sighted things or objects = idols ) 2nd Corinthians 5:7; Leviticus 19:4
Since God's home - 1 Kings 8:39 - will Not pass away, and earth will Not pass away - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B, then Matthew 24:35 is assuring us God's words ( Bible ) will Not pass away.
Do you agree with Psalms 72:8 that Jesus will have subjects on earth from sea to sea ? _______
So, if Revelation ( written in very-vivid word pictures ) is literal at Revelation 21:1 then there will be No more sea on earth.
No more sea would mean No more life on earth on that literal new heaven and earth.
However, if the restless ' sea ' of wicked mankind would be No more - Isaiah 57:20 - there would be Peace on Earth among men of goodwill.
Notice at Revelation 17:1; Revelation 17:15 people are also likened to ' waters ' and we know those ' waters ' are Not literal.
Notice who goes at Psalms 92:7 and who stays Proverbs 2:21-22 and Matthew 25:31-33,37
Flood killed many people who settled on flood plains
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Rather, Noah and Mrs. Noah, and Noah's three sons and their wives gave eye-witness accounts to their children and grandchildren, etc., and especially as the people migrated out of ancient Babylon they took and spread with them their various versions of handed-down Flood accounts. That is why in mankind's history we see a similar overlapping account about only a few people surviving to re-populate earth. So, the bottom line is: though there are many Flood legends they all come down to a same report of a few being saved to re-populate earth.
outhouse
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Factually false but thanks for playing.
Your missing some huge leaps in logic and reason here.
Its not worth debating because no matter how factual the information or reasonable or logical, you will refuse it.
But for those reading along, he would have to explain how these legends traveled all over the world in a time and place when FACTULLY no cultures were destroyed by flood.
Again one more time because you missed it, if you cannot provide an EXACT date for said flood, it factually did not happen.
outhouse
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This text you speak of makes many factual errors.
Who do you know that was at Mt. Ararat when the Ark came to its rest?
That Ark did Not get up there by itself.
I am merely posting what the Bible really teaches about the Bible.
outhouse
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It factually is not there.
I know you don't have a date for a mythical flood
I know people are not falling for your mythology either.
Yes, very plausible. The Noah story of the flood passed so reliably through the generations, but how God (the perp) looks like did not. So, the end result is that everybody knew that there was a flood with a lot of water, but most of them confused Yahweh with an Elephant headed God, or some other thousands variants thereof, a few generations after the flood itself.
So, considering that people were forced, for biological reasons, to leave near rivers, lakes, sea shores, etc. isn't it more plausible that most cultures share a flood legend because all those water sources tend to suddenly provide more water than required, sometimes?
Ciao
- viole
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