"Religious Conservatives Lash Out at Kellogg’s Over 'Anti-Christian' Cereal"

[HonestJoe]

Its a corporation. Not a person. Corporations don’t have feelings. They have bottom lines. People in corporations may have feelings, but that is not how capitalism works.

This is how capitalism works because they're doing this for ulterior motives - it's calculated to have an overall positive marketing impact. You can make a moral argument that companies shouldn't do this kind of thing but it's in no way uncommon or weird for them to do so.

..based on the perception that they may have sex with someone who is there own gender.

Well in practice, based some any kind of unconventional behaviour or appearance. A kid doesn't actually need to be homosexual to be bullied for it and they certainly don't have to be sexually active or have any immediate desire to be sexually active either. Homosexual (like heterosexual of course) isn't something a person does, it is something a person is.

 

[Laika]

I take it that you are not big on symbolism?

People make associations. Tangible things bring memories, expectations, have subjective meanings. Marketing often seeks to take advantage of those associations to direct our purchases.

That is not a new thing, nor is it even truly a corporations thing.

In this specific case, I still do not understand why you insist on framing it as being about sex education when it is really about civic respect towards diversity.

The way I see it, it actually can't be perceived as a matter of sex education anyway. Children are supposed to know about LGBTIQ already. If it is in any way a novelty to them by the time that they read the text in the back of that cereal box, then we have been failing those children.

I would wholly support people receiving a full education in the biology and psychology of sex and relationships in schools. We desperately need that as it would empower young people with the knowledge to know what to decide what the time and urges come. That is an appropriate educational setting for discussion of these topics and is also the most appropriate way to demonstrate a "civic respect towards diversity" by actually giving people the tools to navigate those feelings in a constructive environment. I think we can agree on that.

But I find trying to reduce someone's sexuality to a commercial marketing campaign is pretty dam insulting. It should be a no-brainier that heterosexuals do not consult the cereal box for dating or relationship advice, nor that we would ever expect or demand a cereal box to become a source for dating advice for the anxious and frustrated or an affirmation of their self-worth after a bad evening speed dating.

Even if it is a stereotype that insecure single women do spend time consoling themselves with the ice cream tub even as they obsess over their whether their figure is size zero enough, the ice cream tub shouldn't be giving them relationship advice. Nor should men be going to the back of a milk carton to figure out what to say to their date tonight or how to pick up women at a bar.

That's just weird and pretty creepy frankly.

Think about what it is like for a child whose sexuality doesnt conform to the heterosexual standard who might reach puberty not knowing what might he "wrong with them". If ones sexually repressed family isnt able to discuss such things then what else does that child who is approaching their sexuality going to have to understand that very personal aspect of themselves?

As far as I am aware, it is not customary for heterosexual people to consult fortune cookies on who and how they date. As for the difficulties of LGBTs, given all the mental problems involved, I do not believe they would necessarily reach out for the cereal box to seek similar guidance for such a pressing and important part of their lives.

This is how capitalism works because they're doing this for ulterior motives - it's calculated to have an overall positive marketing impact. You can make a moral argument that companies shouldn't do this kind of thing but it's in no way uncommon or weird for them to do so.

I'm willing to say that Kellogg's should stick to making corn flakes and cereals. I don't think we need any more corporations getting involved in telling us what's attractive or acceptable in relationships so they can profit out of other people's vulnerability. We already have too many problems coming out of body image, toxic masculinity, submissive femininity, rape culture and all the rest as a result of the media trying to "sell" sex and pornography. We don't another for-profit intervention in to people's love lives.

I would prefer that we make genuine efforts at education in schools and universities, including the biology and psychology of sex and relationships, where there are rigorous standards determine the quality of content available to students, rather than cynical commercial exploitation of people

Well in practice, based some any kind of unconventional behaviour or appearance. A kid doesn't actually need to be homosexual to be bullied for it and they certainly don't have to be sexually active or have any immediate desire to be sexually active either. Homosexual (like heterosexual of course) isn't something a person does, it is something a person is.

It is possible to determine someones (biological) gender by doing an ultra-sound on the unborn child based on the criteria, "does it have a penis or does it have a virgina?" The debate over whether that means anything given the role of society in determining gender norms is considerable, particularly in relation to Transgender issues and rights. There is however no test to demonstrate what sexual orientation someone is, but it can be discovered over the course of a person's life based on what (and who) they do.

 

[Cooky]

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I’ll suck it up and have some Raisin Bran.
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I like my Bran Flakes mushy. You just wait 5 minutes after adding milk, and it's perfect.

...Try it. You'll like it.

 

[Darkforbid]

We had this in the UK a while back

Protests resume against LGBT lessons at Birmingham primary school

 

[Darkforbid]

I like my Bran Flakes mushy. You just wait 5 minutes after adding milk, and it's perfect.

...Try it. You'll like it.

I do the same with crunchy nut Flakes

 

[The Hammer]

Ok. Thats a bit better. Still weird, but better. I think.

Either way, this is the kind of messages I wish I had seen on a cereal box growing up. I wasn't getting the support I needed elsewhere.

 

[Laika]

Either way, this is the kind of messages I wish I had seen on a cereal box growing up. I wasn't getting the support I needed elsewhere.

I'm sorry to hear that. Big Hug.

 

[ChristineM]

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"Kellogg’s recently announced that it would be selling six of its most popular cereals in one box for a promotion called “All Together” while making a $50,000 donation to support anti-bullying and advocacy causes on behalf of GLAAD Spirit Day.

So if you’re the sort of person who loves Frosted Flakes and Frosted Mini Wheats (what is wrong with you), then you’re in luck!

We all belong together. So for the first time in history, our famous mascots and cereals are offered exclusively together in the same box for All Together Cereal. It’s a symbol of acceptance no matter how you look, where you’re from or who you love.​

Sure. I mean, they’re just selling you six boxes of cereal, at least two of which no real human should ever want, but if it’s for a good cause, I’ll suck it up and have some Raisin Bran. If you’re cynical, you just shrug this off as a corporate attempt to sell you something in the name of a good cause. But it’s also a good sign when large companies throw their support behind groups like GLAAD.

No wonder conservative Christians are furious.

The three moms at One Million Moms (Twitter count: 3759) have already launched a protest.

Kellogg’s has supported the homosexual community for a long time, and now it is obvious they are going after our children… Kellogg’s goal is to normalize the LGBTQ lifestyle by using cereal mascots to brainwash children. The company is also donating $50,000 to GLAAD to support its anti-bullying and LGBTQ advocacy work.
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These people seriously think Tony the Tiger will make you gay. (Snap, Crackle, and Pop AND Toucan Sam? That’s bestiality AND incest!)

Creationist Ken Ham also chimed in since he wasn’t busy updating his exhibits.

We are not "All together," as the LGBTQ lifestyle/worldview is anti-God, anti-biblical & anti-science and consists of only a small minority in the culture. But many will "All Together" not support such in your face anti-Christian marketing!
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Imagine seeing a cereal box and thinking it’s a form of Christian Persecution. Imagine how flimsy your worldview must be when a smiling sun threatens everything you stand for. Imagine being a Creationist and calling other people “anti-science.” No wonder Ham looks so angry all the time…

Anyway, buy the cereal or don’t. But revel in the fact that some Christians are whining because a cereal company said people should be kind to one another.

They could easily be mad about the amount of sugar in this stuff, but they’ve chosen to attack the message of acceptance and inclusion instead.
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Considering that

"In 2018, Kellogg's global operating profit amounted to about 1.71 billion U.S. dollars."
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Their $50,000 donation is chump change.

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Whats wrong with Raisin Bran???

Sure they could donate more, but shareholders need their cut too ;-/. Still $50k is better than an exaggerating million mum or few

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

.Anyway, buy the cereal or don’t. But revel in the fact that some Christians are whining because a cereal company said people should be kind to one another..

Surely you can see how such an idea would be anathema to those who pretend to preach the "Gospel of Love."

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Yep, children would never type those letters into a search engine and become exposed to gay is best propaganda

Speaking of fruit loops!

You know, gay people know -- better than pretty much anybody -- that you can't convert people. Therefore, in spite of the loopiness of those who think that's what we're all about, we ain't! And for the record, there really is no pleasure to be had in partnering with somebody who can't like you back. What a waste of time.

So relax -- you're safe.

 

[Darkforbid]

Surely you can see how such an idea would be anathema to those who pretend to preach the "Gospel of Love."

I has more to do with resurch like this

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Substance Use and Misuse

According to 2015 data from the National Survey on Drug Use and Health, adults defined as "sexual minority" (in this survey, meaning lesbian, gay, or bisexual) were more than twice as likely as heterosexual adults (39.1 percent versus 17.1 percent) to have used any illicit drug in the past year.1 Nearly a third of sexual minority adults (30.7 percent) used marijuana in the past year, compared to 12.9 percent of heterosexual adults, and about 1 in 10 (10.4 percent) misused prescription pain relievers, compared to 4.5 percent of heterosexual adults.

A 2013 survey conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau found that a higher percentage of LGBT adults between 18 and 64 reported past-year binge drinking (five or more drinks on a single occasion) than heterosexual adults. LGBT people in treatment for SUDs initiated alcohol consumption earlier than their heterosexual counterparts.

Lesbian, gay, and bisexual (LGB) adolescents also reported higher rates of substance use compared to heterosexual adolescents. In one meta-analysis, LGB adolescents were 90 percent more likely to use substances than heterosexual adolescents, and the difference was particularly pronounced in some subpopulations; bisexual adolescents used substances at 3.4 times the rate of heterosexual adolescents, and lesbian and bisexual females used at four times the rate of their heterosexual counterparts.

Yay, let's promote lifestyles with increased drug use

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I has more to do with resurch like this

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Substance Use and Misuse

According to 2015 data from the National Survey on Drug Use and Health, adults defined as "sexual minority" (in this survey, meaning lesbian, gay, or bisexual) were more than twice as likely as heterosexual adults (39.1 percent versus 17.1 percent) to have used any illicit drug in the past year.1 Nearly a third of sexual minority adults (30.7 percent) used marijuana in the past year, compared to 12.9 percent of heterosexual adults, and about 1 in 10 (10.4 percent) misused prescription pain relievers, compared to 4.5 percent of heterosexual adults.

A 2013 survey conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau found that a higher percentage of LGBT adults between 18 and 64 reported past-year binge drinking (five or more drinks on a single occasion) than heterosexual adults. LGBT people in treatment for SUDs initiated alcohol consumption earlier than their heterosexual counterparts.

Lesbian, gay, and bisexual (LGB) adolescents also reported higher rates of substance use compared to heterosexual adolescents. In one meta-analysis, LGB adolescents were 90 percent more likely to use substances than heterosexual adolescents, and the difference was particularly pronounced in some subpopulations; bisexual adolescents used substances at 3.4 times the rate of heterosexual adolescents, and lesbian and bisexual females used at four times the rate of their heterosexual counterparts.

Yay, let's promote lifestyles with increased drug use

I do none of that. Sorry to disappoint.

 

[Darkforbid]

I do none of that. Sorry to disappoint.

Never said you did, but it is what you're promoting

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Never said you did, but it is what you're promoting

What I'm promoting??!!! Hardly!

Try to get your hatreds under control -- they can be such a burden to carry around all the time.

 

[Darkforbid]

What I'm promoting??!!! Hardly!

Try to get your hatreds under control -- they can be such a burden to carry around all the time.

Hatred? And you're not pro-gay

Sounds credible

 

[stvdv]

If some Christian thinks that showing a bit of kindness and acknowledgement to LGBTQ people is "anti-Christian," then they practice a pretty pathetic version of Christianity.

You got 10 frubals (6 winners) for this
None were hardcore Christians though

That's quite telling

My guess it's not "some"

 

[Father Heathen]

Good boycott the rainbow thievesView attachment 33825

The gay rainbows are caused by the refraction of light through your salty tears.

 

[Darkforbid]

The gay rainbows are caused by the refraction of light through your salty tears.

A few years ago I sold rainbow cords using the reclaim the reclaim rainbow slogan,, they sold really well

 

[Father Heathen]

A few years ago I sold rainbow cords using the reclaim the reclaim rainbow slogan,, they sold really well

There's always a market for chintzy, mawkish baubles.

 

[Father Heathen]

If an anti-bullying campaign is "anti-christian", then that implies bullying is considered an integral part of christianity or that they feel entitled to the gratification from doing so.