As long as the person supports all there Religious Rules they are within there rights. They should advertise as such if they have a public business and step aside if in government and they can't do there job for Religious reasons.
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Religious Freedom and the US election.
- Thread starter bobhikes
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As long as the person supports all there Religious Rules they are within there rights. They should advertise as such if they have a public business and step aside if in government and they can't do there job for Religious reasons.
Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
I see you're trying to make a point here, but I simply can't comprehend what it might be. Comb your hair differently, and we might just see that point.
If your not going to be open to debate you will constantly fail.
I might not like what some members say but I'll defend to the death
the RIGHT to say it!
Recall that I served 22.5 years defending the legal rights of those
I didn't even like one darned bit!
And paid the price of a lifetime of intractable permanent pain.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah so what?!
I walk just fine now and retired again from G.M. with two college
degrees.
If I remembered who the ethnic criminal was that injured me I'd
buy him a beer and a sammich.
If he's not in prison someplace or perhaps dead. (I hope not.)
I wish nothing bad on anyone.
I've seen too much of that and it's horrible.
Death wouldn't be so bad if it didn't last so long.
the RIGHT to say it!
Recall that I served 22.5 years defending the legal rights of those
I didn't even like one darned bit!
And paid the price of a lifetime of intractable permanent pain.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah so what?!
I walk just fine now and retired again from G.M. with two college
degrees.
If I remembered who the ethnic criminal was that injured me I'd
buy him a beer and a sammich.
If he's not in prison someplace or perhaps dead. (I hope not.)
I wish nothing bad on anyone.
I've seen too much of that and it's horrible.
Death wouldn't be so bad if it didn't last so long.
Neutral is a bad position, A person should have to prove they are right. It is to easy to claim something, you need to provide proof. It is the governments job to require that proof.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
Isn't that the "fast forward" symbol?I chuckled at this, nice one
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
She was. She went up before a federal judge to explain why she should not be jailed for contempt following a court order telling her to do her job. The judge didn't agree that 'freedom of religion' is sufficient reason for violating the rights of others guaranteed by the Equal Protections Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. LGBTs have the right to marry, to receive a marriage licence and to have that marriage legally protected by the government at all levels just like any other eligible applicant. Davis was violating that right be obstructing the issue of marriage licences. She didn't just refuse to do it herself, she ordered her subordinates to refrain from issuing them whether they agreed or not. She was forcing her beliefs onto others. That is illegal.
I couldn't disagree more. A person's religiosity should not be a litmus test as to how closely they should be expected to abide by the law or to keep oaths they swore. What's worse, Davis took office having already made a decision that she would not respect the Supreme Court's ruling if it conflicted with her religious beliefs. It's obvious that she lied in her oath to uphold the Constitution which includes the Fourteenth Amendment because she had no intention of doing so.
Yes she was. She explained to a federal judge why she shouldn't be jailed for contempt. Her explanation was not good enough. She broke the law and was punished as much as was possible.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
I agree.
Kim Davis should have been fired on the spot.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
****, I didn't think of that.
I don't think you can fire an elected official the same way you could fire someone who works at KFC. I think she could have (and should have) been impeached, though.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
Which is demonstratively false.
Seat belt laws, for example.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
Fair enough.
I change it from "fired" to "removed from the position she refuses to do the work for".
Someone mentioned judges and jails and brought back a FUNNY
story I witnessed in court when I was a copper.
A guy was given 10 days in county jail for a minor crime and I don't
recall what it was.
The dummy yelled at the judge: "Ten days !? Why not make it 20!"
Soooooooooooooo the judge made it 20!
Then the idiot exclaimed "well why not 30!?"
To which...............yeah he did , the judge gave him 30 days.
Before the idjits lawyer could shut him up the was given SIX months
in the county pokey.
story I witnessed in court when I was a copper.
A guy was given 10 days in county jail for a minor crime and I don't
recall what it was.
The dummy yelled at the judge: "Ten days !? Why not make it 20!"
Soooooooooooooo the judge made it 20!
Then the idiot exclaimed "well why not 30!?"
To which...............yeah he did , the judge gave him 30 days.
Before the idjits lawyer could shut him up the was given SIX months
in the county pokey.
As an aside that makes no difference to anyone and is so far off topic
it's in orbit.....................
I had a pretty good reputation when I was a copper with the street
folks.
I was known as being forgiving and fair and above all HONEST.
When I was in uniform patrol part of my job was shuttling people from
our Court to County jail.
Some of the trustees were people I put in that jail.
They were the cook and clean up guys.
The prisoners I escorted to County always wanted to get there
before 5 p.m. as that was supper time.
I often was invited to eat with the inmates and did.
The food was always decent and often darned good.
No wonder why some homeless and destitute wanted locked
up for the winter.
Free medical care, good food, company of others in the same boat,
free cable t-v (no kidding) library, church services, etc, etc.
I didn't have a lot of cop friends.
Why?
"They" felt I was too much a part of "them" .
I never judged, at least not often, and recall "there but for fortune go I."
Thing is "street people" saved my life on a couple of occasions.
A little human kindness and understanding can go a loooooong way.
We once had a small riot in the "hood". All the cops showed up
and more coming from other jurisdictions.
I was Lt. in charge and quickly sized up the situation.
The people causing the attention were all young ethnics looking
for a target for their frustrations.
Police were that target.
I ordered my men to leave the area and had the other cops rushing
in to return to their own patrol duties.
It worked.
I took the target away. It wasn't fun any longer as the cops were gone.
I realized then that I was ALONE with hundreds of angry ethnics.
GULP. That had a pucker factor of 10!
It worked out quickly as the parents of the young protesters came
and whupped some butt and took the "kiddies" home.
Being raised in "da hood" had it's advantages.
it's in orbit.....................
I had a pretty good reputation when I was a copper with the street
folks.
I was known as being forgiving and fair and above all HONEST.
When I was in uniform patrol part of my job was shuttling people from
our Court to County jail.
Some of the trustees were people I put in that jail.
They were the cook and clean up guys.
The prisoners I escorted to County always wanted to get there
before 5 p.m. as that was supper time.
I often was invited to eat with the inmates and did.
The food was always decent and often darned good.
No wonder why some homeless and destitute wanted locked
up for the winter.
Free medical care, good food, company of others in the same boat,
free cable t-v (no kidding) library, church services, etc, etc.
I didn't have a lot of cop friends.
Why?
"They" felt I was too much a part of "them" .
I never judged, at least not often, and recall "there but for fortune go I."
Thing is "street people" saved my life on a couple of occasions.
A little human kindness and understanding can go a loooooong way.
We once had a small riot in the "hood". All the cops showed up
and more coming from other jurisdictions.
I was Lt. in charge and quickly sized up the situation.
The people causing the attention were all young ethnics looking
for a target for their frustrations.
Police were that target.
I ordered my men to leave the area and had the other cops rushing
in to return to their own patrol duties.
It worked.
I took the target away. It wasn't fun any longer as the cops were gone.
I realized then that I was ALONE with hundreds of angry ethnics.
GULP. That had a pucker factor of 10!
It worked out quickly as the parents of the young protesters came
and whupped some butt and took the "kiddies" home.
Being raised in "da hood" had it's advantages.
So the constitution doesn't give you the right to trial. Why do we have rights at all if they are not going to be enforced equally? Church and State are supposed to be separate.
Not according to the Constitution which is US law.
What legal right is there for wearing or not wearing a seat belt. As I understand it Driving is a privilege not a right.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
I think @Revoltingest can deal with this a bit better than I can. Revolting, what was that thing you told me about a while ago? Something to do with not needing a jury until it's a certain level of crime or something? We both agreed there was the capacity for mission creep.
The irony of you making this complaint in light of posting the OP is rather amusing - particularly in light of your defence of Davis. You spent at least one post in this thread going on about how the right to freedom of religion ought to trump obeying the law.
The 6th Amendment......
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
But the USSC has adopted something called the Petty Offense Doctrine.
They held that jury trials are inconvenient to government, & that it may
unilaterally waive a defendant's right to trial buy jury if the offense is "petty".
Currently, the threshold is 1 year in jail.
Some biased (but highly cromulent) background.....
https://object.cato.org/pubs/legalbriefs/harrisonvus.pdf
I read @Revoltingest , So your theory would be that Kim Davis complaint was a petty crime. Where her rights being ignore or those rights that she offended both petty? If so why are we even having this conversation. It should be a non-issue.
As to the irony, It is the governments responsibility to separate state and church. It is also the governments responsibility to protect the rights of the citizens of this country. Religious and Civil and I do not believe protecting peoples rights to be petty.
As a summary, I offered an opinion that a lot of people are overlooking. Religious Rights what ever your belief are protected by the constitution. People know this. You could bully them into believing civil rights are more important or you could actually hold them accountable to there religions. You would following the constitution and still allowing civil rights. It is quite hard to actually practice any Religion fully.
sandycreekboy
New Member
Religion is important to this nation and i am all for religious liberty however the country was founded in actuality due to rebellion against England .. the first settlers came for a number of reasons religious liberty was one earning a living was one protection against oppressive rule and adventure were others . this is not and never has been a Christian nation my words and it has never been primarily about religious reasons thats totally wrong what it was about was freedom but also the power to dominate others