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BSM1

What? Me worry?
Actually, the fact that they thought it was true that the sun revolved around the earth did not make it true. It was a false belief. The truth of the matter did not change with their belief. As I said, thinking something is true is not the same as it actually being true.

You're making my point, thank you. At the time the above theory was "truth" to most people but not fact. Truth is usually what one chooses to believe, fact is what can be proven. Fact can change a truth or it can validate a truth. Fact is concrete, truth is fluid. My truth is that I'm sure you realize this by now.
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
You're making my point, thank you. At the time the above theory was "truth" to most people but not fact. Truth is usually what one chooses to believe, fact is what can be proven. Fact can change a truth or it can validate a truth. Fact is concrete, truth is fluid. My truth is that I'm sure you realize this by now.

You are confusing what one thinks is true with what actually is true. Truth is not what one chooses to believe is true. What is true is true whether anyone believes it or not
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
What is true is only what can be proven with fact. Many things we believe were true turned out not to be once we had the ability to produce the facts around the truth.
 

syo

Well-Known Member
Not an answer. I did not ask about reality, but okay....how do we determine what is real, then? What is the test we can perform?
I mean truth is reality. we don't test truth/reality because it's all there is, it's all we've got.
 
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