Religious tolerance and biblical contradictions

[Kilgore Trout]

You would be right, it would be doubtful, many others would support your perceptional view, many others would oppose it of course. Of course from this conversation, between you and me, it is only to you.

Of course. Seeing that we're disagreeing, one of us has to be wrong. It just so happens to be you in this case. Don't sweat it - you should be used to it by now.

 

[Humanistheart]

Certainly not from your perception Humanistheart. Albeit from the path of rational and reasonable accumulation of knowledge when critical thinking is applied to it, both the atheist and the theist are exactly the same, I think it has something to do with the fact that both groups consist of humans.

Nothing about your claim involved knowledge, reason, or critical thinking.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Nothing about that claim involved knowledge, reason, or critical thinking.

Ironic, isn't it?

 

[McBell]

Albeit from the path of rational and reasonable accumulation of knowledge when critical thinking is applied to it, both the atheist and the theist are exactly the same, I think it has something to do with the fact that both groups consist of humans.

It is amazing, and also rather saddening, that you can say that with a straight face.

 

[McBell]

Ironic, isn't it?

Most definitely no surprise at any rate.

 

[footprints]

Right FP, because chores and forced indoctrination into a religion are the same thing. Funny, many parents do not know what is 'best' for children, as my countries social services are well aware of. It shouldn't matter what your parents think are best, it should matter what actually is.

Yes Humanistheart, indoctination of doing chores is the same as introctinating people into religion or atheism et al. Albeit sometimes it backfires and the children rebel, what do you think the children of atheism will rebel against when the atheist have their day in the sun? What do you think they will turn to?

Well what actually is Humanistheart, is that both atheists and theists are groups of humans and are subjective to human nature.

When you cannot be up to date on the affairs of your government without being familiar with a particular religion that presents the kind of issue that stranger and myself are refering to. But to someone who thinks the only definition of force involves a gun, well, *edit*

Sorry I missed that part in all the election speeches aired in Australia and the speeches I received online from both major and minor players. So what did they do, did they sit everybody down in the US and force them to listen to their religious indoctrination? Well now I can see why you are upset about it, I would have objected if they tried to do the same thing in Australia. Most Aussies though would have told them to wake up to themselves though.

 

[footprints]

Nothing about your claim involved knowledge, reason, or critical thinking.

LOL not from your perspective of course.

 

[footprints]

It is amazing, and also rather saddening, that you can say that with a straight face.

Hmm so you don't think that both groups are human... What can I say, Have a great day.

 

[Humanistheart]

LOL not from your perspective of course.

And others'. Given the other posters responces to your assertions thus far, your persepective is the only one that finds your claims to have any merrit.

 

[Humanistheart]

Yes Humanistheart, indoctination of doing chores is the same as introctinating people into religion or atheism et al. .

And you justify this statement with... what?

Well what actually is Humanistheart, is that both atheists and theists are groups of humans and are subjective to human nature..

Changing the topic of the thread to serve your own goals. It's called moving the goal posts I believe. If you're going to continue to attempt this perhaps you should do a better job of hiding it.

Sorry I missed that part in all the election speeches aired in Australia .

Yes, obviously you did.

 

[footprints]

And others'. Given the other posters responces to your assertions thus far, your persepective is the only one that finds your claims to have any merrit.

Oh Humanistheart, the other posters as you so politely put it, carry the same belief patterns as you as they pertain to the religious. You might as well be asking NFL players which is the better game, NFL or NBL, albeit many would like both.

If you went through the last elections, given all and everything that each candidate put out and said, and only ever heard the mention of God, sheesh, there are some issues which need to be ironed out.

 

[footprints]

And you justify this statement with... what?

I don't justify that statement at all. It is what indoctrination is.

Changing the topic of the thread to serve your own goals. It's called moving the goal posts I believe. If you're going to continue to attempt this perhaps you should do a better job of hiding it.

It is inline with the conversation and the thread topic. I would suggest you just don't like it because it is a fact which you cannot escape from, albeit you are giving it a good perceptional shot.

Yes, obviously you did.

The reason I missed it, was because it didn't exist in the context you say it did, I didn't blow it all out of proportions as you did. Nobody was forced to do anything.

 

[Humanistheart]

Oh Humanistheart, the other posters as you so politely put it, carry the same belief patterns as you as they pertain to the religious. You might as well be asking NFL players which is the better game, NFL or NBL, albeit many would like both..

Why on earth would I ask and NFL player anything? I have no interest in man's most boring, closset-homoerotic sport or it's players. When I watch a homoerotic sport I want there to be no pretence that it's really about the sport

The point is your primary defence of your arguments is not rooted in logic, but on the claim that anyone who disagree's with you does so only from 'their perspective' yet have no one who supports yours. I'd stop bringing up 'perespective' if I were you.

If you went through the last elections, given all and everything that each candidate put out and said, and only ever heard the mention of God, sheesh, there are some issues which need to be ironed out.

Indeed, issues caused by people such as yourself.

 

[Humanistheart]

I don't justify that statement at all. It is what indoctrination is..

LOL, in other words, it's what I say it is so there! Don't bother to provide some reasoning or explaination or, you know, fact at all.

It is inline with the conversation and the thread topic. I would suggest you just don't like it because it is a fact which you cannot escape from, albeit you are giving it a good perceptional shot..

Oh, then surely you can explain how you think that is directly related.

The reason I missed it, was because it didn't exist in the context you say it did, I didn't blow it all out of proportions as you did. Nobody was forced to do anything.

The reason you missed it is because you think anything short of a gun to the head doesn't count as force.

 

[footprints]

Why on earth would I ask and NFL player anything? I have no interest in man's most boring, closset-homoerotic sport or it's players. When I watch a homoerotic sport I want there to be no pretence that it's really about the sport

LOL you wouldn't, I knew that already.

The point is your primary defence of your arguments is not rooted in logic, but on the claim that anyone who disagree's with you does so only from 'their perspective' yet have no one who supports yours. I'd stop bringing up 'perespective' if I were you.

LOL do you mean not rooted in your logic.

My perspective is both atheists and theists are human and are subjective to human nature in the same way. So you disagree with this, it must be me who is not logical. LOL.

Indeed, issues caused by people such as yourself.

LOL.

 

[Riverwolf]

Every single person alive has predjudice and bias. No person on this forum can say they can't. What I mean by tolerance is not calling something like wicca evil, or preaching against homosexuality. Accepting is tolerating.

And all through out the christian bible, it never says any thing about religious tolerance. In the book of Joshua, God authorizes the genocide of the cannanites for being pagan.

In exodus, god says to put to death those who practice magic. He made the jews out to be devils. That doesn't sound like religious tolerance to me. And while I do understand that those were different times, many still take those words to heart because they were written in a bible by MAN, not God.

Like I said, not many religions take you as you are.

Then how come Jews aren't killing everyone?

Religion isn't found in Scripture. Scripture are just guidelines. In order to have a full understanding, you must study study study. Teachers also help. To fully understand those verses in the Torah and Tanakh, the Talmud must be referred to. Rabbis can also help.

Ignore the fact that too many take it all too literally, and study it on its own terms, not on someone else's.

 

[Riverwolf]

Well footprint, you can't possibly be contending that theists have more to tolerate than athiests in this country.

Depends on the theist.

 

[footprints]

LOL, in other words, it's what I say it is so there! Don't bother to provide some reasoning or explaination or, you know, fact at all.

LOL how the human brain works is much too complicated to explain in a 2 line sentence. As I have no wish to indoctinate you into the knowledge of science and take away your own belief, I will not.

Oh, then surely you can explain how you think that is directly related.

It is part and parcel of human nature. The opening thread was perceptional based, all aligned in favour of one belief pattern over another.

The reason you missed it is because you think anything short of a gun to the head doesn't count as force.

LOL.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Why does it seem like every religion has no tolerance for another? I know of only a few religions that are tolerant, and actually preach tolerance, of other religions are wicca, buddism, shinto, and a few others.

Religions that definitley do NOT preach tolerance of any sort is Christianity, Catholosism and so on.

Why?

I believe if you look at the long history of humans you will find that for the most part religions tend to be tolerant of other faiths. I know of no large persecution of others ( due to faith ) among the north american indians, chinese and the religions of the indian subcontinent ( pre islamic invasion ). Religious persecution seems to be the down side of the monotheist belief system. ( All belief systems seem to have there down side. Mine has the caste system. )

I don't know if I am reading more then I should in to your words but Catholics are Christians even though many evangelicals will tell you differently.

 

[Humanistheart]

Depends on the theist.

Haha, good point. How about if I through in the word 'generally' as a qualifier to the previous assertion?