Remove ’Everybody Draw Muhammad Day’ from Facebook

[Reverend Rick]

I'm sorry that it upsets a lot of people, but that's life.

Your dead wrong Matt. If you are OK with provoking someone when you know what the response will be, you are baiting them.

It's not about free speech, unless you believe it is OK to use the N word too.

 

[Riverwolf]

One person's religion, one person's society...

One person tells another that he can't do a certain thing, and then that other person just says "neener-neener" and does it, anyway, like a mischievous child who was told not to climb the fence by a teacher, then does so anyway out of protest.

So sad... and scary.

 

[Perfect Circle]

Your dead wrong Matt. If you are OK with provoking someone when you know what the response will be, you are baiting them.

It's not about free speech, unless you believe it is OK to use the N word too.

It is. It's absolutely okay. Have you ever heard a lil' wayne album?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

One person's religion, one person's society...

One person tells another that he can't do a certain thing, and then that other person just says "neener-neener" and does it, anyway, like a mischievous child who was told not to climb the fence by a teacher, then does so anyway out of protest.

Except it's not the teacher telling him he can't do it, but another kid saying "neener-neener - don't climb that fence dumb-dumb or I'll cry and pinch you."

 

[Riverwolf]

Except it's not the teacher telling him he can't do it, but another kid saying "neener-neener - don't climb that fence dumb-dumb or I'll cry and pinch you."

Doesn't matter; the poor child climbs the fence for no other reason than to protest, and I think that's childish as the teacher. (Who, by the way, says: "Don't climb that fence!! Don't ask why! It's because I said so! I'll take you to the principle's office if you do, and make sure you don't come to school for a week!")

I just realized something: one person is a bully (who are real threats), and the other person is just provoking that bully. (Maybe that's a better schoolyard analogy.) In essence, both are bullies.

EDIT: Addendum: the original bully is a sports-player, and the retaliating bully is bullying all other sports players.

 

[Reverend Rick]

It is. It's absolutely okay. Have you ever heard a lil' wayne album?

I am fully aware of the double standard, but it is still wrong. So you are OK with me saying the N word?

How about me calling you the C word?

Seriously, there is a difference between people using a term of endearment among themselves and saying it to get a group of people upset.

If you are using hurt-full speech to incite a group of people, that is wrong.

I don't think lil wayne is doing that is he?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Doesn't matter; the poor child climbs the fence for no other reason than to protest, and I think that's childish as the teacher. (Who, by the way, says: "Don't climb that fence!! Don't ask why! It's because I said so! I'll take you to the principle's office if you do, and make sure you don't come to school for a week!")

I just realized something: one person is a bully (who are real threats), and the other person is just provoking that bully. (Maybe that's a better schoolyard analogy.) In essence, both are bullies.

Unfortunately, the problem with your analogy is that it doesn't involve a teacher or a whining kid, but murdering terrorists trying to dictate to our society what it can and cannot do. Real world's a bit different than schoolyards. People need to remember this.

 

[Perfect Circle]

Doesn't matter; the poor child climbs the fence for no other reason than to protest, and I think that's childish as the teacher. (Who, by the way, says: "Don't climb that fence!! Don't ask why! It's because I said so! I'll take you to the principle's office if you do, and make sure you don't come to school for a week!")

I just realized something: one person is a bully (who are real threats), and the other person is just provoking that bully. (Maybe that's a better schoolyard analogy.) In essence, both are bullies.

EDIT: Addendum: the original bully is a sports-player, and the retaliating bully is bullying all other sports players.

I have no idea what you guys are talking about anymore...

 

[Riverwolf]

Unfortunately, the problem with your analogy is that it doesn't involve a teacher or a whining kid, but murdering terrorists trying to dictate to our society what it can and cannot do. Real world's a bit different than schoolyards. People need to remember this.

Not in essence. The only difference (and this difference isn't even consistent), is the fact that life is in danger.

All I see in the real world is just a reflection of what I used to see in school on a bigger scale. Frankly, it's upsetting.

Weren't you aware that many bullies dictate to other kids what they can and cannot do, with the consequence of failure being a beating that could still threaten the kid's life?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Weren't you aware that many bullies dictate to other kids what they can and cannot do, with the consequence of failure being a beating that could still threaten the kid's life?

Indeed, and the only effective deterrent to a bully is standing up to them. Capitulating only emboldens them more.

 

[Riverwolf]

Indeed, and the only effective deterrent to a bully is standing up to them. Capitulating only emboldens them more.

I prefer the Gandhi approach, thank you very much. On more than one occasion, I've managed to stave off bullies with it.

I'd rather not become my enemy.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I prefer the Gandhi approach, thank you very much. On more than one occasion, I've managed to stave off bullies with it.

And you're free to employ it. That's what's great - we all have the freedom to do what works for us. What a great concept - hope it lasts.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Indeed, and the only effective deterrent to a bully is standing up to them. Capitulating only emboldens them more.

Not going out of our way to do what simple tact says we probably shouldn't do is not "capitulating". You don't deal with a bully by lashing out at the rest of the class.

 

[Riverwolf]

And you're free to employ it. That's what's great - we all have the freedom to do what works for us. What a great concept - hope it lasts.

You have my 100% assurance that it will. A few thugs won't change that.

 

[Quagmire]

That's exactly what the OP is saying.


Would you care to elaborate on the type of consequences said innocent bystanders are likely to have to deal with?

You mean aside from the vast majority of Muslims who aren't militant extremists who are going to be needlessly offended by this?

How about Americans and other non-Muslims living in countires dominated by Muslim extremists? Think any of them have got their pencils out right now?

How about the innocent bystanders sitting at a bus stop or mall somewhere who just happened to be in the line of fire if and when some radical extremist group decides to make a counter-statement?

But then the first two aren't you and the last one isn't likely to be so who cares, right?

Oh, I see you have elaborated.


Really? Which "ethnicity" is it, exactly, that believes in free speech and holds that violence in response to cartoons is an over-reaction? Because that's the "ethnicity" for me.

(LOL! Are you going to start checking my spelling next, man?)

You're right: I guess selfish, spoiled, self-righteous, anal-expulsive and sufferring from delusions of granduer and unqualified entitlement isn't really a legitamate ethnicity. Guess I should have said Amero-centric.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Not going out of our way to do what simple tact says we probably shouldn't do is not "capitulating". You don't deal with a bully by lashing out at the rest of the class.

Yes, well we see the crux of the issue differently.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

And you're free to employ it. That's what's great - we all have the freedom to do what works for us. What a great concept - hope it lasts.

So a person has the freedom to behave like a douche, and when he does, everyone else has the freedom to point out that he's behaving like a douche.

Great - we've all got freedom. Doesn't change the fact that the guy's a douche, though.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

So a person has the freedom to behave like a douche, and when he does, everyone else has the freedom to point out that he's behaving like a douche.

Yes, we have the freedom to point out that Muslim extremists attempting to dictate our behavior to us are douches.

Great - we've all got freedom. Doesn't change the fact that the guy's a douche, though.

True, they're still douches. But, douches who know that can't dictate our behavior to us.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

If you are OK with provoking someone when you know what the response will be, you are baiting them.

I do not want to offend or provoke anybody. I would never draw a picture of the prophet of Islam. I don't think anyone should.

At the same time if nuts are threatening to kill people over the issue. I am not sure if backing down is the way to handle the problem. It just seems like positive reinforcement of bad behavior. Like what happened in the TV show South Park.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yes, we have the freedom to point out that Muslim extremists attempting to dictate our behavior to us are douches.

I was actually referring to the people who'd draw pictures of Muhammad knowing that it will upset many, many people who did nothing wrong, but I think you knew that.