Remove ’Everybody Draw Muhammad Day’ from Facebook

[Kilgore Trout]

I was actually referring to the people who'd draw pictures of Muhammad knowing that it will upset many, many people who did nothing wrong, but I think you knew that.

Of course I knew what you meant. I was simply illustrating that there's often more than one way to look at an issue, but I think you know that.

 

[Smoke]

You mean aside from the vast majority of Muslims who aren't militant extremists who are going to be needlessly offended by this?

How about Americans and other non-Muslims living in countires dominated by Muslim extremists? Think any of them have got their pencils out right now?

How about the innocent bystanders sitting at a bus stop or mall somewhere who just happened to be in the line of fire if and when some radical extremist group decides to make a counter-statement?

But think about what you're saying here, seriously.

But then the first two aren't you and the last one isn't likely to be so who cares, right?

My view of this ridiculous controversy is a little more nuanced than you're giving me credit for, and I think your hysterical rhetoric is failing to make much of a case for your view.

 

[Quagmire]

But think about what you're saying here, seriously.

I posted it so you would.

My view of this ridiculous controversy is a little more nuanced than you're giving me credit for, and I think your hysterical rhetoric is failing to make much of a case for your view.

I'll put you down for a "no" then.

 

[Smoke]

I am not sure if backing down is the way to handle the problem. It just seems like positive reinforcement of bad behavior.

It is positive reinforcement of bad behavior.

The info page of EDMD says:

Hopefully this page will spark seroius debates in international forums. This page will continue to exist and the date will remain the same. PS: We are not trying to slander the average muslim , its not a muslim/islam hatepage. We simply want to show the extremists that threaten to harm people because of their Mohammed depictions, that we're not afraid of them. That they can't take away our right to freedom of speech by trying to scare us to silence.​

I think it's safe to say the page has sparked debates. Unfortunately, as usual in cases like this, they don't tend to be "seroius" ones.

 

[Smoke]

I posted it so you would.

I hope I've made it clear that I don't think "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day" is the best way to go about things. I hope I've made it equally clear that I don't think the proper response to intolerance and violence is the curtailment of free speech.

I'd support everybody drawing Muhammad every day before I'd support submitting to threats and giving bullies their way.

 

[Magic Man]

Your dead wrong Matt. If you are OK with provoking someone when you know what the response will be, you are baiting them.

Nope, I'm not. And no, I'm not baiting them. But thanks anyway.

It's not about free speech, unless you believe it is OK to use the N word too.

Thanks for the "Have you stopped beating your wife?". It is perfectly OK to use the N word in some circumstances. It's also legal to use it any circumstance. And that's because of free speech.

 

[Magic Man]

The bottom line here is that some people make threats against other people for the simple act of drawing one of their religious figures. It's a ridiculous rule in the first place that you can't draw or depict Muhammed. It's even more ridiculous to threaten others' lives for doing so, especially when those others aren't even Muslims. It might be a little childish to say "See? Just because you don't like it, I'm going to do it", but the point behind it is to say "It's really not that big a deal, but more importantly, you really need to learn to live with others".

There are plenty of things that could easily offend me every day. But they're just not worth getting all worked up over. Are some people's feelings going to be hurt by something like this? Sure. Should we tiptoe around the issue because of it? No.

 

[darkendless]

Why would anyone refrain from free speech just because muslims don't like it? It all started because of the predictable and amusing reaction from muslims and now people wan't more. People don't care, and why would they?

Although this is childish and needless what did people expect? The reaction to the episode containing Mohammed was just too amusing for some who wish to provoke further.

 

[Wotan]

The bottom line here is that some people make threats against other people for the simple act of drawing one of their religious figures. It's a ridiculous rule in the first place that you can't draw or depict Muhammed. It's even more ridiculous to threaten others' lives for doing so, especially when those others aren't even Muslims. It might be a little childish to say "See? Just because you don't like it, I'm going to do it", but the point behind it is to say "It's really not that big a deal, but more importantly, you really need to learn to live with others".

There are plenty of things that could easily offend me every day. But they're just not worth getting all worked up over. Are some people's feelings going to be hurt by something like this? Sure. Should we tiptoe around the issue because of it? No.

Fruballs!:clap

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Why would anyone refrain from free speech

I will refrain from speech that hurts others. To give in to threats is a whole different story.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

So much whining.

The bottom line is that there is no such thing as a right to not be offended.

Seriously, suck it up. If I were muslim I would be more concerned about the sort of victim mentality being portrayed here making us all seem like whiny ******* than what the unbeleivers thought or did.

Almost every single page of the q'uran makes mention of the various horrors that await us faithless unbeleivers. Why not just take smug solice in that? It seems to work for the christians.

 

[jmvizanko]

Wow. My addition got reported and I had to click a button acknowledging that I violated the decency standards of photo uploading.

All I did was show the prophet with his 9 year old wife....

 

[Riverwolf]

Wow. My addition got reported and I had to click a button acknowledging that I violated the decency standards of photo uploading.

On Facebook?

Nice to know they're not advocating inflammatory pictures. :yes:

 

[Father Heathen]

Because it's going to offend a bunch of people who don't deserve it.

If they allow themselves to be offended and worked up into a bloodthirsty tizzy by a silly cartoon, then they do deserve it. Breaking their irrational taboos will help them see things with a proper priority and perspective.

It's going to create even more division.

We're talking about a culture that is hostile towards anything that doesn't adhere to its norms. There's always going to be division.

It's going to offend and alienate innocent bystanders and do nothing but encourage extremists and make them feel even more that their actions and attitudes are justified.

And making concessions and compromises regarding our own rights and culture out of fear? We're all "innocent bystanders" in this world, and we can't expect to have all the sharp corners bubble wrapped for our protection.

The extremists maybe, but taking it upon ourselves to decide whether or not the objections of the Muslim world in general are "over-reactions" is an extremely ethnocentric attitude.

It's a cartoon. How is frothing outrage over something so silly and trivial anything other than an over-reaction?

Which people? What things? And who's making a stand here?

It's important to show those protesting that our freedom supersedes their religious views.

You're right man. I've seen the light. I guess I'll start surfing the web for pictures of Little Black Sambo or some beady-eyed, hook-nosed caricature of a Jewish person and start our own drawing contest.

If people demanded such things be banned, then sure.

Ah. The 21st century version of the Domino theory. Guess it was due for a comeback.

You don't think the gradual erosion of our rights and liberty is a concern?

Would you be paying any attention at all to their religious figure if you didn't know that depictions of him offended people?

Of course not. Which is why they should calm their ***** down and ignore it, and people would get bored and move on. Surely you understand it isn't about ******* Muslims off, it's about exercising free speech in the face of those demanding that voices be silenced and censored. I'm for freedom above all else, their feelings be damned.

 

[MuslimnexttargetforHitler]

Who thinks that Muslim would been the next target if Hitler was still alive?
The new hitler in modern day "was" Usama Bin ladin".

 

[DeitySlayer]

He would have gone for Africa and Russia first.

 

[tumbleweed41]

Who thinks that Muslim would been the next target if Hitler was still alive?
The new hitler in modern day "was" Usama Bin ladin".

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

If they allow themselves to be offended and worked up into a bloodthirsty tizzy by a silly cartoon, then they do deserve it. Breaking their irrational taboos will help them see things with a proper priority and perspective.

Let's take religion out of this.

My friend's stepsister has a phobia of buttons (not Buttons*, but buttons - the plain old clothing fastener). When she sees them, she experiences major anxiety and fear - it's a very unpleasant experience for her.

Now... recognizing that this is a completely irrational fear, and acknowledging that she's going to run into buttons in her daily life and will have to figure out some way to cope with that, do you think she deserves to have people deliberately confront her with buttons just to work her up?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Let's take religion out of this.

My friend's stepsister has a phobia of buttons (not Buttons*, but buttons - the plain old clothing fastener). When she sees them, she experiences major anxiety and fear - it's a very unpleasant experience for her.

Now... recognizing that this is a completely irrational fear, and acknowledging that she's going to run into buttons in her daily life and will have to figure out some way to cope with that, do you think she deserves to have people deliberately confront her with buttons just to work her up?

Do Muslims have an uncontrollable and extreme phobia of depictions of Mohammed? Why haven't I read about this?

 

[Magic Man]

Let's take religion out of this.

My friend's stepsister has a phobia of buttons (not Buttons*, but buttons - the plain old clothing fastener). When she sees them, she experiences major anxiety and fear - it's a very unpleasant experience for her.

Now... recognizing that this is a completely irrational fear, and acknowledging that she's going to run into buttons in her daily life and will have to figure out some way to cope with that, do you think she deserves to have people deliberately confront her with buttons just to work her up?

Why are you taking religion out of it? I don't think that analogy works.