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Republican candidates?

F1fan

Veteran Member
Exhibit B.
No rebuttal. That's typical for those on the wrong side of issues.
He never won the popular vote. All he has to do is win 4-5 swing states to be elected in 2024. That is why the Eletoral College system is obsolete and needs to be eliminated. An unpopular candidate can win, and did in 2016. The conservative base is an irrational group of citizens. I suspect they are a product of massive disinformation from far right wing media.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
I absolutely can. That’s how skewed the Left is now. And the Right is a hot mess.
You hold right wing views, most are far right. You aren't a moderate, Biden is a moderate.
There are more extremists in the Right, but your refusal to step back and consider what I’m saying is evidence of the Left’s problem.
You didn't offer evidence, just your beliefs. For some reason you are a right winger, according to your positions, who is ashamed to admit it as a label goes.
I am absolutely a moderate. Give me any political quiz or question you want and I’ll prove it time and again.
Are you trying to fool yourself because the rest of us can see you are a typical right winger who toes the right wing media talking points.

Maybe explain why you think your positions are moderate. Use the list you provided earlier. Give us your arguments.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Well, golly, glad to see you are so open minded.
Absolutely, I am open to the evidence that has been revealed against Trump for multiple crimes. How about you? Are you open to the evidence against Trump?

And there is a 4th indictment coming soon.
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Absolutely, I am open to the evidence that has been revealed against Trump for multiple crimes. How about you? Are you open to the evidence against Trump?

And there is a 4th indictment coming soon.
Like all the "evidence" during all the previous attempts to "get bad orange man" in the past? The Trump haters have a losing record. But, please, keep pushing the politically motivated "lawfare". The more false allegations the more independent voters are turned off by them.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I absolutely can. That’s how skewed the Left is now. And the Right is a hot mess. There are more extremists in the Right, but your refusal to step back and consider what I’m saying is evidence of the Left’s problem. I am absolutely a moderate. Give me any political quiz or question you want and I’ll prove it time and again.
People often skew their answers when they know that they are being judged. Your claims were all very right wing claims.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Like all the "evidence" during all the previous attempts to "get bad orange man" in the past? The Trump haters have a losing record. But, please, keep pushing the politically motivated "lawfare". The more false allegations the more independent voters are turned off by them.
You forgot that Trump is now a rapist. One can call him that without fear of a lawsuit. Trump only "won" when there were a ton of Trumpistas present. What happens when a decent DA eliminates crazy Trumpistas from the jury?
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
You forgot that Trump is now a rapist. One can call him that without fear of a lawsuit. Trump only "won" when there were a ton of Trumpistas present. What happens when a decent DA eliminates crazy Trumpistas from the jury?
The fact that Trump is officially a bona fide rapist hasn't shaken their loyalty and admiration speaks volumes of their character.
 

Callisto

Hellenismos, BTW
They reported what experts said. Experts that know a lot more about it than you.
You mean experts that are doing exactly what I said before, ignoring the 14th Amendment. Fixed that for you.

Since you like news articles, try reading some that contain substance. Maybe you'll learn something.

The Biggest Threat to Donald Trump Could Be the Constitution Itself
Trump’s 2024 Hopes Just Crashed Into the 14th Amendment

See also

Citizens For Ethics.org - The case for Donald Trump’s disqualification under the 14th Amendment
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
You mean experts that are doing exactly what I said before, ignoring the 14th Amendment. Fixed that for you.

Since you like news articles, try reading some that contain substance. Maybe you'll learn something.

The Biggest Threat to Donald Trump Could Be the Constitution Itself
Trump’s 2024 Hopes Just Crashed Into the 14th Amendment

See also

Citizens For Ethics.org - The case for Donald Trump’s disqualification under the 14th Amendment
The very same Nation you cited posted an article today saying explicitly that Trump has not been charge with insurrection and that he is eligible to run and that he should run. Let Trump Run

All you did was cite opinion pieces from far leftist sources. The fact is that Trump is going on the ballot. Something that would not happen if he were not eligible to run. Not a single state's Secretary of State has found him ineligible.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
You mean experts that are doing exactly what I said before, ignoring the 14th Amendment. Fixed that for you.

Since you like news articles, try reading some that contain substance. Maybe you'll learn something.

The Biggest Threat to Donald Trump Could Be the Constitution Itself
Trump’s 2024 Hopes Just Crashed Into the 14th Amendment

See also

Citizens For Ethics.org - The case for Donald Trump’s disqualification under the 14th Amendment
This, plus the fact that the Republican Party is finally realizing that they NEED to rid themselves of Trump or they have no future in politics. They've known this for a while but were desperately trying to keep his followers in the republican camp. And they still are. But if Trump is convicted, and thus barred from running for office, that allows them to do what they really want ... rid themselves of Trump without alienating all of Trump's loyal supporters.

I'm not sure that's possible simply because Trump will continue to threaten and blame them in hopes that they will help him, and out of spite if they don't. I think they made a deal with the devil and he owns their souls, now. Time for them to pay the toll.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
"have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof"

Yep. They figured out he couldnt be disqualified by the other criminal charges even if convicted so Jan 6th charges were filed(the last charges filed coincidently).
Don't get me wrong Trump is a narcissist that shouldn't be president but IMO its not about the prosecutions, its about getting him out of politics period.
Who decides if he violated his oath of office?
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
It doesn't qualify in Trump's case. He has never even been indicted for such a crime. Even assuming he were so indicted today it is quite unlikely he would be convicted of such before the election.
Who decides if he violated his oath of office?
 

Callisto

Hellenismos, BTW
The very same Nation you cited posted an article today saying explicitly that Trump has not been charge with insurrection and that he is eligible to run and that he should run. Let Trump Run
Wow, you mean a news site posted more than one article?

All you did was cite opinion pieces from far leftist sources. The fact is that Trump is going on the ballot.
I did not cite "far leftist" sources. You simply dismiss anything that isn't far right.
Something that would not happen if he were not eligible to run. Not a single state's Secretary of State has found him ineligible.

Yet.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
This riveting tale has it all; straw men, cogitative dissonance, mental gymnastics, non sequiturs, conspiracy theories, etc.
Well, it is @wellwisher , after all. Normally his posts revolve around: water, entropy, hydrogen bonds and - FUNGG!! - liberals. On this subject, it seems to be the last of his four horsemen of the apocalypse.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
The very same Nation you cited posted an article today saying explicitly that Trump has not been charge with insurrection and that he is eligible to run and that he should run. Let Trump Run
He is running. And Senate republicans could have convicted him in his second impeachment and been rid of him. I guess they believed his political future was over. Oh did they under-estimate the lunacy of the conservative base, and their desire for a corrupt, authoritarian leader.
All you did was cite opinion pieces from far leftist sources.
Far left? Must have been a Communist magazine.
The fact is that Trump is going on the ballot.
It's likely, but what a sad state of affairs for the conservative voter that this is the best they can do.
Something that would not happen if he were not eligible to run. Not a single state's Secretary of State has found him ineligible.
Republicans had the chance, but most were cowards. That's what happened to their party, their ethics went out the door due to the unethical conservative base.
 

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
And those on the left don’t seem to understand that their own extreme positions make things difficult. It’s very frustrating for a moderate like me.

Can you give a few examples of extreme positions?
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Can you give a few examples of extreme positions?
The funny thing is that democrats would be considered right wing in Europe, but right wingers in the USA call them far left. The repub licans have gone so far to the right that democrats have filled the void from left to right, but there are no actual far left members in congress. AOC might be considered far left, but in Europe she would be a typical liberal. I took a political test back in 2016 and was more liberal than Bernie Sanders, and I am not far left in any sense.

Asking conservatives to describe political standings is seldom accurate.
 
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