Republicans Disagree With Bernie for Agreeing with the Department of Defense.

[Augustus]

First ask yourself what is causing the refugee, and genocide issues; at the present time it is not climate change, it is terrorism.

The crisis is due to the Iraq War and the Arab Spring which created the conditions for IS to gain power. The Iraq war was an American led folly.

The Arab spring, what caused that? The answer is not any one thing. One thing you might have noticed though is rising prices for basic foodstuffs, this has a major effect on many people in the developing world.

It is highly likely that this had at least some impact Arab Spring. I'm no saying it caused it, or even that it was caused by global warming, many other factors such as financial speculation affect commodity prices also. I'm also not saying it didn't cause it. I just don't know.

It's just an example of how things have the potential to effect societies, and cause unpredictable consequences.

 

[esmith]

The crisis is due to the Iraq War and the Arab Spring which created the conditions for IS to gain power. The Iraq war was an American led folly.

The Iraq war was an indirect cause of ISIS, the main cause of ISIS moving into Iraq was the US pulling out of Iraq after they broke it and was fed a line by Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki who decided he did not want Sunni's in any position of responsibility.
There was too much of a rush by the incoming US administration to satisfy a campaign promise that they failed to see the impact of a Maliki led country.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/04/28/what-we-left-behind

 

[Augustus]

The Iraq war was an indirect cause of ISIS, the main cause of ISIS moving into Iraq was the US pulling out of Iraq after they broke it and was fed a line by Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki who decided he did not want Sunni's in any position of responsibility.
There was too much of a rush by the incoming US administration to satisfy a campaign promise that they failed to see the impact of a Maliki led country.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/04/28/what-we-left-behind

Indirect? Nonsense.

Disbanding the entire Iraqi army and security apparatus is a massive part of what caused this. Why do you think IS top brass is full of ex Baathists? As is 10 years of chaos.

Blaming Maliki is ultimate buck passing. He certainly poured oil on the flames but he didn't light them.

 

[dust1n]

First ask yourself what is causing the refugee, and genocide issues; at the present time it is not climate change, it is terrorism.

Really? I thought it was a civil war.

 

[sun rise]

First ask yourself what is causing the refugee, and genocide issues; at the present time it is not climate change, it is terrorism. So, being logical vice emotional one must ask what is causing the present problems and then make the determination that the cause and not the results must be addressed first. Yes, the refugee problem must be addressed but in a logical manner and not a emotional mindset.

That's a great indictment of the Republican party given the emotions of fear and anger they're stirring up and exploiting just as they did with the Mexican immigration issue which we see now has ended with more Mexicans returning to Mexico than are coming here.

But the US military has to focus on everything and not just ignore 99% of the threats to deal with one. So it needs to deal with both the causes and effects.

 

[Underhill]

Well when Obama ask the Pentagon to give him a strategy for ISIS, that will work, then maybe we will get to work on the most pressing issue that the world faces as of now.

That's a bit of a stretch. The most pressing issue in the middle east? Sure.

But in the big picture ISIS is no more a threat than NK or Iran, much less actually. There are warlords in Africa who kill more people than ISIS on a fairly regular basis.

 

[esmith]

That's a bit of a stretch. The most pressing issue in the middle east? Sure.

But in the big picture ISIS is no more a threat than NK or Iran, much less actually. There are warlords in Africa who kill more people than ISIS on a fairly regular basis.

Well technically you are correct, but at the present time ISIS seems to be at the top of the list. Yes, I agree Obama needs to adjust his out-dated ill-informed strategy to confront terrorism throughout the world. Seems that the State Dept has issued a major travel alert.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/23/politics/state-worldwide-travel-alert-paris-terrorist-attacks/

Guess ISIS isn't contained,AL-Qadea isn't on the run and is it that Obama hasn't been good intelligence.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-of-covering-up-cooked-isis-intelligence.html

however CENTCOM isn't the Presidents only source of intelligence. Maybe all of the intelligence Obama is getting as been massaged to reflect his views? Just asking

 

[Underhill]

Well technically you are correct, but at the present time ISIS seems to be at the top of the list. Yes, I agree Obama needs to adjust his out-dated ill-informed strategy to confront terrorism throughout the world. Seems that the State Dept has issued a major travel alert.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/23/politics/state-worldwide-travel-alert-paris-terrorist-attacks/

Guess ISIS isn't contained,AL-Qadea isn't on the run and is it that Obama hasn't been good intelligence.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-of-covering-up-cooked-isis-intelligence.html

however CENTCOM isn't the Presidents only source of intelligence. Maybe all of the intelligence Obama is getting as been massaged to reflect his views? Just asking

Well, intelligence is always up for debate. But the reality is that trying to pin ISIS down at all is virtually impossible (as to its size and capabilities) as the organization, if you can call it that, is a mass of disgruntled people that are constantly shifting allegiances. There are probably 15 groups who roughly make up the middle east terror conglomerate (very rough estimate) and their numbers can vary a great deal. There is a core group in Iraq and Syria but any student can join and become "ISIS" in about the time it takes to post here. There are terror attacks that ISIS takes credit for, where the terrorist have had no known previous associations with ISIS. I just picture them sitting in their bunker watching the news going, "holy ****, look what they did. Let's take credit for that!"

For example, I have heard different "experts" claim that the Paris attacks are a sign of strength and a sign of weakness. There is probably a bit of truth to both opinions.

I don't think we should do anything with ISIS other than what we are already doing. It needs to be a muslim army that deals with them and we need to make that clear to Saudi Arabia and our allies in the region. Anything else we do will just mean more muslims joining up to fight the evil western oppressors.