Subduction Zone
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Because the Bible told them too?
He may have a point. I cannot trust the current crazy USSC.
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Respect for Marriage Act makes Congresswoman cry real tears.
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He may have a point. I cannot trust the current crazy USSC.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Not even. It's a restriction, not an outright ban.
Obergefell v. Hodges was based on the idea that the US Constitution's due process and equal protection clauses imply a right to same-sex marriage. If that were struck down, then - absent any federal law on the subject - state laws forbidding same-sex marriage would come back into effect.
... but now there's federal law, so they wouldn't come back into effect. I'm sure @Shaul can dream up some fantasy where he thinks the new law would be struck down, but it wouldn't be an automatic thing that RFMA would go away just because Obergefell v. Hodges were struck down.
Please tell the gun nuts that "a restriction, not an outright ban" means that nobody's rights have been violated.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
What's good for the goose is clearly good for the gander.Please tell the gun nuts that "a restriction, not an outright ban" means that nobody's rights have been violated.
Tough luck all around.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Americans widely reject evolution and natural selection but that doesn't make them right.
Money being what everything revolves around is just the belief of the day. It's popular. It's widespread. But as far as I can tell at the end of the day it rarely achieves anything, especially against institutions and individuals who already have enough money or are big enough to not have to care. It's a Machiavellian privilege that has a tendency to manifest even when being Machiavellian isn't the goal.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Ok, lets see the gun nuts on the Right follow this logic through the next time they scream about someone suggesting mandatory training of people before they can buy a gun.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Let's see if you realize gun rights are actually listed in the Bill of Rights. It's called the 2nd amendment.
Maybe get abortion added to the Bill of Rights.
Get to work now. Good luck.
It was added. It can be removed.
The reason for it being added is no longer relevant to our national security.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
The Bill of Rights refers to the first 10. You can't add to it, because it is those first and original 10.
And don't forget the 2nd does include the regulated and trained militia to defend the country. That doesn't mean every hooligan and wannabe Rambo out there getting a gun with no restrictions, no training and no background checks.
TLK Valentine
Read the books that others would burn.
Fair enough -- evolution and natural selection are true on their own merits... that certain segments of the population hate them passionately is more a reflection of their own problems.
There's truth to this -- it's not that money isn't effective, it's that it's not effective enough against the uberrich. A stronger weapon would be required.
a .38 handgun will kill a human being, but good luck trying to take down an elephant with one.
TLK Valentine
Read the books that others would burn.
All those who believe there's a meaningful difference, raise your hand...
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It has some effect, but not that much. It's also a pragmatic thing, because places like Walmart or Chick Filla have only grown despite the people who do refuse to go to those places. It would take a massive movement against them, and such things aren't necessarily easy. They may even backfire.
Luckily not. But, if people don't want me to care about the issue, then they should not speak about it to me. Otherwise, it is ridiculous to expect me not to care. It can be compared to a person who smears a cake to other persons face and then asks why the other has cake on his face.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
The Dems aren't perfect or innocent, but you squeal with outrage at trivial nothingburgers regarding things such as public safety or environmental protection measures; things similar to speed limits, bans on asbestos, lead paint, DDT, etc. and only because they were proposed or passed by Dems.
Yet when the GOP either attempts or succeeds in curtailing rights and freedoms, you give the "not every state" excuse, but why does this not apply to the Dems as well?
Going forward we expect you to follow your own logic and stop crying about NY, Cali, etc. since there are other states that haven't done whatever it is you're crying about.
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They probably do want you to care. The world is a better place when people are motivated by kindness and behave ethically.
You're free not to do either of these things, but you aren't entitled to being well-regarded if you proclaim yourself to be a jerk.
I don't follow your analogy.
... but it sounds like your position is something like "if people bother to engage me in conversation, they should be happy with what they get. They shouldn't think badly of me for expressing objectionable opinions when they asked for my opinion." Do I understand you properly?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No. I call out infringements made on people's freedoms.
They do it with the small stuff, you bet your bottom dollar they will move on to the big stuff.
Subduction Zone
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The trinity: The Father, The Son, and Some Guy That Wrote Much of the New Testament.
TLK Valentine
Read the books that others would burn.
If a person is sufficiently unpleasant, they will find few people willing to speak to them on any issue.