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Respect for Religious Beliefs?
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Tiapan
Grumpy Old Man
I was brought up to be tolerant of others political and religious views, but as I became older I found I had to draw the line when dealing with fools and nonsense giving them short shift, unfortunately most religion falls into this catagory, so I give it to them heaps. Respect for those who live in delusion, come off it they deserve what they get.
Cheers
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Dezzie
Well-Known Member
cardero
Citizen Mod
This is very accurate.
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend Rojse,
The understanding is that RELIGION is a path or a way to know the *self* and to achieve that various ways path have been explored and many more will evolve with time.
If someone follows one or combination of many is his WAY and each one has the right to do so towards which have great respect and always attempt to understand the method deeply as possible.
Love & rgds
The understanding is that RELIGION is a path or a way to know the *self* and to achieve that various ways path have been explored and many more will evolve with time.
If someone follows one or combination of many is his WAY and each one has the right to do so towards which have great respect and always attempt to understand the method deeply as possible.
Love & rgds
gnomon
Well-Known Member
Do you respect all religions and religious beliefs equally?
Yes.
As in 0=0.
For those that answered no, what criteria do you make in distinguishing what beliefs you respect and what beliefs you do not?
There is no rational reason to provide religious beliefs of any sort, or any belief for that matter, a positive level of respect.
Further, gauging the worth of a belief based on the perceived worth of the individual is a fallacy.
Any concept, argument, thought or word that a human being communicates should be critically examined and if found lacking rejected. There are effective methods for doing so.
Tolerance has nothing to do with respecting human concepts just because they were conceived. I would even further that statement by adding that tolerating for the mere sake of tolerance is social maladjustment and of the primary causes of strife in society.
Yes.
As in 0=0.
For those that answered no, what criteria do you make in distinguishing what beliefs you respect and what beliefs you do not?
There is no rational reason to provide religious beliefs of any sort, or any belief for that matter, a positive level of respect.
Further, gauging the worth of a belief based on the perceived worth of the individual is a fallacy.
Any concept, argument, thought or word that a human being communicates should be critically examined and if found lacking rejected. There are effective methods for doing so.
Tolerance has nothing to do with respecting human concepts just because they were conceived. I would even further that statement by adding that tolerating for the mere sake of tolerance is social maladjustment and of the primary causes of strife in society.
jabberwockybruno
Member
I have a hard time figuring out what it really means to "respect" other religions. What does it mean to respect different religions?
Does it mean I have to think that all religion's beliefs are equally true? In that case my answer is.... HELL NO!!! It's impossible for all religions to be true. Even though it may be the case that we can never prove (the same way we prove a math problem) that one particular religion is the right religion, we definitely know that it is impossible for each religion to be as equally true as every other religion.
I respect that people should not be forced to join or leave any particular religion. I mean what's the point anyway? How can a person get into heaven if he just goes through the motions and doesn't actually believe any of the stuff? Unless of course there was a religion that didn't require any certain beliefs, just a bunch of rule following.
Does it mean I have to think that all religion's beliefs are equally true? In that case my answer is.... HELL NO!!! It's impossible for all religions to be true. Even though it may be the case that we can never prove (the same way we prove a math problem) that one particular religion is the right religion, we definitely know that it is impossible for each religion to be as equally true as every other religion.
I respect that people should not be forced to join or leave any particular religion. I mean what's the point anyway? How can a person get into heaven if he just goes through the motions and doesn't actually believe any of the stuff? Unless of course there was a religion that didn't require any certain beliefs, just a bunch of rule following.
cardero
Citizen Mod
I think what Rojse is referring to are the people who have formed and are holding these belief systems. What usually happens is that people will lead with their affiliation.
I am Mormon and this is what I believe….
I am Muslim and this is what I believe…
I am a Jehovah’s Witness and this is what I believe…
I am Jewish and this is what I believe…..
I am usually never impressed by the first part of these sentences. I prefer to remind people that they are human (just like me) and that they have beliefs (just like me) now, what do you got? They will then go into detailing their beliefs.
I believe ______________ and I believe this to be true.
In this instance, it is the latter part of the sentence that I do not need. Since no one can believe their beliefs to truth and since beliefs are not resolved on the basis of the holder’s wants or desires, it is safe and easy to conclude that the believer is not so much interested in resolving their beliefs but would prefer to practice faith. Since the believer wants to believe this is true, they are probably not going to seek or investigate any possibilities, knowledge or methods that will resolve their beliefs to a truth or an untruth. This is where my offering of respect starts to fall away. What this entails is if another person has knowledge or information or just holds another opinion contrary to the belief of the person who prefers to think their beliefs are true, than equal respect to the belief (or the holder of the belief) will not be given or accepted.
The people (and the beliefs they are encouraging) that are deserving of my respect are the people who aren't afraid to believe and if necessary, let their beliefs go in favor of a truthful or untruthful conclusion. These believers are actively comparing and updating their beliefs to the knowledge that is available and do not have a preference to which way their beliefs conclude but are just satisfied with being enlightened from the outcome.
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DarkSun
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M O N S T E R
Member
Every person who believes in something without evidence, just because they want to, legitimises that approach for everyone else who wants to believe without evidence. By accepting that religion is an acceptable form of thought, you are contributing, just a little, to the insane excesses of religious violence in Pakistan, in Iraq and Afghanistan: to bans on the use of condoms in countries that are suffering AIDS epidemics; to male Jewish babies being savagely mutilated in the first few months of life; to children in the US dying because they are being prayed for instead of being given medical attention; to abortion clinics being bombed and legal abortionists murdered.
All this happens because someone, somewhere, thinks it's all right to believe in something without evidence. And as long as you believe in something without evidence, then there is no way you can honestly criticise them. You believe you are following the commands of your God; so does Osama Bin Laden. You are, no doubt, genuinely sorry when other people get hurt because they are in the way of those commands; so is Osama. But what you perceive as the commands of God take precedence for you over the ordinary dictates of human conscience and common sense; just as they do for Osama.
Richard Dawkins can legitimately tell Osama how and why he is evil and wrong; you can't, because morally you and Osama Bin Laden are equivalent. Your god happens to be less confident and more conciliatory than his, because your god has been on the losing end of a five-hundred-year-long fight with science and reason, and his has only just begun to fight. But while you are both prepared to do senseless, unreasonable things just because you think your god wants you to, then there's not a hair's-breadth of moral difference between you.
Show respect for religion? Hells no.
All this happens because someone, somewhere, thinks it's all right to believe in something without evidence. And as long as you believe in something without evidence, then there is no way you can honestly criticise them. You believe you are following the commands of your God; so does Osama Bin Laden. You are, no doubt, genuinely sorry when other people get hurt because they are in the way of those commands; so is Osama. But what you perceive as the commands of God take precedence for you over the ordinary dictates of human conscience and common sense; just as they do for Osama.
Richard Dawkins can legitimately tell Osama how and why he is evil and wrong; you can't, because morally you and Osama Bin Laden are equivalent. Your god happens to be less confident and more conciliatory than his, because your god has been on the losing end of a five-hundred-year-long fight with science and reason, and his has only just begun to fight. But while you are both prepared to do senseless, unreasonable things just because you think your god wants you to, then there's not a hair's-breadth of moral difference between you.
Show respect for religion? Hells no.
nonbeliever_92
Well-Known Member
I think it's far better to respect the holder of the belief, religious or otherwise, rather than the belief itself.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
Beliefs do not earn respect, look at the idiots that these religions produce.
rojse
RF Addict
I would exchange the word "produce" to "attract".
jabberwockybruno
Member
Are you saying that there is not evidence for even one thing in religion or are you saying it is stupid to believe in the things that have no evidence?
The Bible references many places and events that have historical evidence. For example, cities's names and locations as described in the Bible match up with secular sources. Also, the new testament when examined under the same scrutiny used for secular historical texts, has very strong evidence that what he have today differs only about 2-3% from what it was when first written 2,000 years ago.
Do you mean to say that ALL things related to religion have no evidence or are you only talking about things like heaven, hell, god or gods, the afterlife, etc.?
nonbeliever_92
Well-Known Member
True.
McBell
Unbound
Yes.
However that is because I do not respect any religion or its belief.
I do, however give each individual person the respect I think they deserve, regardless of their religious beliefs (or lack of).
The Neo Nerd
Well-Known Member
Of course it references real places. No one is doubting that the bible was written by humans who knew of those places. Hardly evidence of divine inspiration.
And no one is doubting that the bible is the same now as it was written, however, this is hardly evidence of anything but good scholarly reproduction of the writings.
Got anything better?
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rojse
RF Addict
But not respecting any religions at all is still respecting them equally. :yes:
rojse
RF Addict
And "Wizard of Oz" is set in Kansas. True story as well, right?