Response of Muslims to cartoons under fire

[ChrisP]

I think you are ignoring the situation in Europe and the Middle East leading up to this.

Probably. But there's always something happening somewhere. I like to generalise

 

[greatcalgarian]

Wow, I see what you mean about over-reaction!

To the West culture, yes, it is over-reacting.
For the East culture, .....???

 

[mr.guy]

I think this is just an excuse by anti-western people to be anti-western, in the same way flag burning is taken as an excuse to be anti-Muslim by anti-muslims.

I think you might have it backwards, actually. There's a strong current among radical islamists to make islam "unpalletable" among westerners. Muslim isolationalism has been consistently stated as the goal for over 30 years; kinda makes the "islamist" goal to be an anti-islam sell to westerners, for all effects and appearances; in the past couple of years, they've had lots of buyers on this one.

 

[ChrisP]

I think you might have it backwards, actually. There's a strong current among radical islamists to make islam "unpalletable" among westerners. Muslim isolationalism has been consistently stated as the goal for over 30 years; kinda makes the "islamist" goal to be an anti-islam sell to westerners, for all effects and appearances; in the past couple of years, they've had lots of buyers on this one.

And there's not a mirrored inclination in our media to accept this and promote Islamic people as terrorists? It's never said outright, but there seems to be plenty of the same file footage over and over again of the same people protesting with a different location being read by an anchorman over the top.

 

[linwood]

So yes, the Qur'an is Islam. And the Qur'an tells us to follow only the Qur'an.

Islam is what Muslims do, submit to the Qur'an.

So the Hadiths offer no guidance to a Muslim then?

 

[mr.guy]

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And there's not a mirrored inclination in our media to accept this and promote Islamic people as terrorists? It's never said outright, but there seems to be plenty of the same file footage over and over again of the same people protesting with a different location being read by an anchorman over the top.

It is reflected, i'd probably agree; but this isn't a "chicken or the egg" question. It's well manipuleated p.r. venture being sold to a xenophobic audience. Like Darkdale, i also see most media outlets as somwhat blind beast; it's attention requires a pretty juicy tidbit, no doubt. I hate to say this, but i think it's a decision between blaming a dumb animal or the fanatic holding the carrot.

 

[ChrisP]

IIt is reflected, i'd probably agree; but this isn't a "chicken or the egg" question. It's well manipuleated p.r. venture being sold to a xenophobic audience. Like Darkdale, i also see most media outlets as somwhat blind beast; it's attention requires a pretty juicy tidbit, no doubt. I hate to say this, but i think it's a decision between blaming a dumb animal or the fanatic holding the carrot.

Yes I agree.

This is the way of the world, why concern ourselves with it. You're more likely to get hit by a car or electrocuted when you're not paying attention in the kitchen than anything like this affecting your life in any way, besides the various medias trying to make something out of nothing. Worrying you, not without cause, but without justification.

I'm not giving in to the stupid story scroungers and the attention seekers they're reporting on. Life's far too short.

 

[mr.guy]

Don't give into the stupid story scroungers and the attention seekers they're reporting on.

Well, part of "not giving in" might be whipping a couple dumb animals...i was hoping someone might offer this third alternative.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

The troublemakers are not Muslims, they are people living in countries which are far behind in terms of secular government and free speech, who happen to be Muslim. Many Muslims have condemned any violence in response to the cartoons.

It's not the religion that's the problem, it's the culture.

 

[jamaesi]

So the Hadiths offer no guidance to a Muslim then?

In short, yes.

If you want to discuss this further would you make another thread or PM me?

 

[linwood]

It's not the religion that's the problem, it's the culture.

I`d say one is embedded within the other.

 

[YmirGF]

Riddle me, this:

How can 1.3 billion people be described as "a (single) culture"?

Islam is practised in every country on Earth, by every race and all age groups.
How can it therefore be cultural, unless the religion fosters that "culture"?

 

[jamaesi]

How can 1.3 billion people be described as "a (single) culture"?

Islam is practised in every country on Earth, by every race and all age groups.
How can it therefore be cultural, unless the religion fosters that "culture"?

In cultures and lands of repression or where the Muslims feel like outsiders are where the violent protest seem to thrive...

You don't see the Muslims in America taking to the streets and torching buildings over these silly cartoons, do you?

 

[ChrisP]

Riddle me, this:

How can 1.3 billion people be described as "a (single) culture"?

I don't know, I'll ask the Chinese :biglaugh:

You don't see the Muslims in America taking to the streets and torching buildings over these silly cartoons, do you?

I have to wonder how conservative American Christians would react to similar facsimiles of Jesus being broadcast on Al Jazeera? Not trying to protagonise, just a thought.

 

[Divine Androgyne]

That's because the "genuinely good" ones won't protest what the genuinely bad ones are doing for fear of being killed.

Dose that hold true for the Christians too Darkdale?

 

[linwood]

How can it therefore be cultural, unless the religion fosters that "culture"?

This is how I believe it to be.

Islam is not the only foundation for that culture or you`d see the same behaviour here in the US as well yet we don`t.
It is however the must influential property of middle eastern culture.

 

[linwood]

I don't know, I'll ask the Chinese :biglaugh:

I have to wonder how conservative American Christians would react to similar facsimiles of Jesus being broadcast on Al Jazeera? Not trying to protagonise, just a thought.

I can guarantee you they wouldn`t be burning down the Jordanian embassy.

 

[linwood]

In cultures and lands of repression or where the Muslims feel like outsiders are where the violent protest seem to thrive...

This is an excellent point.

 

[jamaesi]

I have to wonder how conservative American Christians would react to similar facsimiles of Jesus being broadcast on Al Jazeera? Not trying to protagonise, just a thought.

(Idle) death threats, of course, from Pat Robertson.
Fred Phelps would be saying it's the gay's fault for envoking G-d's wrath or something similar, damn those Middle Eastern homos! He might ever fly over to picket the furnerals of some hapless Jordanians.

And maybe even an influx of hate crimes against Arab Americans after terrorist attacks and other such going-ons... We can only hope.

 

[linwood]

He might ever fly over to picket the furnerals of some hapless Jordanians.

if only he would...<sigh>.