Restaurants now charging 30 dollars for a regular size pizza in NY.

[Shaul]

Why is this any surprise? If the government prints money like there's no tomorrow and spends more than a drunken sailor inflation is the natural result. There's no free lunch. Especially pizza.

 

[viole]

Or they go out of business.
That’s happened to so many local bike stores here.

Well, with prices like that it is not surprising. Even in Switzerland, where everything is much more expensive, pizzas do seldom go beyond 20 bucks.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

My SSI has gone up from the inflation. My income went from $850 a month a few years ago to now almost being at a thousand dollars a month. The average wage in the United States is now $20 an hour. It's time we have a minimum wage that is $10 an hour and adjusts with inflation.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Anyone else seeing this?

Sure. Our prices have doubled to tripled here in Mexico, but I should add that this isn't typical Mexico. It's an expat community with a large number of Canadians and Americans and more arriving all of the time because of rising prices in their countries, who are happy to pay such prices and consider them inexpensive.

It doesn't address your point about prices rising across the board, but the following might solve your pizza problem. Pizzas are easy to make at home if you have an over or a large enough air fryer. I don't know what we spend on this, but this is flour (sometimes we begin with a frozen pizza blank with cheese and sauce already on it), mozzarella, pepperoni, pepper flakes, and barbecue sauce, and it has to be under $5 USD in ingredients here in Mexico, and probably under $15 where you live:

After staying in for so long after Covid precautions, I lost my taste for restaurant food(it all kinda tastes the same).

Us as well. We still go out just to get out of the house, but there's little either of us really want, and we bring home most of the meals (in our own plastic to-go containers, which restauranteurs love). Right now, there's leftover egg foo yung, tuna steak, and fajitas in the refrigerator, which the dogs will eat more of than we will.

I don't know whether $13/hour is a livable wage or not in most states

Yes, but one will be living a meager existence and not saving, buying new cars, or travelling, have little available credit, and will likely be one illness or layoff from insolvency.

 

[Debater Slayer]

I do blame employees who want more money, but won’t do what it takes to advance. That is a choice.
If I had a bad employer, I’d find a better job…not blame the employer.

Being a bad employer is also a "choice." (I use that word for convenience, because I don't believe in free will to begin with.) If you blame the employee for a perceived bad choice, the same should apply to the employer.

Look who’s talk’n.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. I haven't overgeneralized about employers, whereas your posts have indeed contained blanket statements about employees.

 

[Revoltingest]

Being a bad employer is also a "choice." (I use that word for convenience, because I don't believe in free will to begin with.) If you blame the employee for a perceived bad choice, the same should apply to the employer.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. I haven't overgeneralized about employers, whereas your posts have indeed contained blanket statements about employees.

Missed point.
Of course there are bad employers.
Duh.
Employees still have responsibility for their own choices, eg, motivation, choosing to stay or leave for a better job.
I’m not their parent, obligated to nurture and encourage (although I’ve assumed the role at times.)
With bad employees, I too had choices, eg, keep’m and cope, or fire’m. I don’t blame them for my choices.

You over-generalize too.
So no holier than thou attitudes, eh.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Missed point.
Of course there are bad employers.
Duh.
Employees still have responsibility for their own choices, eg, motivation, choosing to stay or leave for a better job.
I’m not their parent, obligated to nurture and encourage (although I’ve assumed the role at times.)
With bad employees, I too had choices, eg, keep’m and cope, or fire’m. I don’t blame them for my choices.

Leaving a job isn't always an option, and for many, it can carry significant risks up to and including homelessness. Of course, this also doesn't apply to all.

This is why I think that talking about such issues in generalities doesn't lead anywhere useful.

You over-generalize too.
So no holier than thou attitudes, eh.

Feel free to quote where I did.

 

[PureX]

That’s quite the victim mentality.
It splains much.
Employees should consider that perhaps their languishing in bad jobs at low pay isn’t the employer’s fault. If they neither strive to advance nor seek greener pastures, they’re where they belong.
No one should wait for others to hand them success.

You don't seem to grasp the concept that most people aren't looking for "success", or for "advancement", or to be the "big winners" in the giant monopoly game. They are looking only for a dignified living wage for a days work, no matter what that work is, because they understand that everyone deserves to be treated like a contributing member of our society regardless of how greedy or egotistical or ambitious they are, or aren't. And because you don't grasp this basic idea of collective contribution = collective reward, you think these people deserve to be "punished" for their lack of ambition. To be given "less than" a full share in the gifts of our collective production. And that, of course, the more greedy and ambitious among us should then get more than their share, because greed and ambition are the traits most respected and rewarded in the capitalist mindset.

 

[Revoltingest]

Leaving a job isn't always an option, and for many, it can carry significant risks up to and including homelessness. Of course, this also doesn't apply to all.

When isn’t it possible to switch jobs?

This is why I think that talking about such issues in generalities doesn't lead anywhere useful.

Feel free to quote where I did.

When I have internet I can show your over-generalizarions and more mischief. Don’t go thinking you’re perfect. You just tend to find fault with those you disagree with.

 

[Revoltingest]

You don't seem to grasp the concept that most people aren't looking for "success", or for "advancement", or to be the "big winners" in the giant monopoly game. They are looking only or a dignified living wage for a days work, no matter what that work is, because they understand that everyone deserves to be treated like a contributing member of our society regardless of how greedy or egotistical or ambitious they are, or aren't. And because you don't grasp this basic idea of collective contribution = collective reward, you think these people deserve to be "punished" for their lack of ambition. To be given "less than" a full share in the gifts of our collective production. And that, of course, the more greedy and ambitious among us should then get more than their share, because greed and ambition are the traits most respected and rewarded in the capitalist mindset.

You don’t to grasp that each is responsible for their own success. Someone who doesn’t try shouldn’t expect it handed to them. Carping about a bad job is useless. Do something about it.

 

[Debater Slayer]

When isn’t it possible to switch jobs?

When bills are due and no alternative is available in time, or when switching needs relocation that proves too costly. Just two examples; there's no way to list all of the various scenarios that could lead to someone's being stuck in an undesirable job.

When I have internet I can show your over-generalizarions and more mischief. Don’t go thinking you’re perfect. You just tend to find fault with those you disagree with.

Chill. We're here to converse, not fight. I don't think I'm perfect, but I would like to see where you think I overgeneralized so that we could address those points.

 

[Revoltingest]

When bills are due and no alternative is available in time, or when switching needs relocation that proves too costly. Just two examples; there's no way to list all of the various scenarios that could lead to someone's being stuck in an undesirable job.

That sounds temporary.
One can’t plan ahead?
Your just offering excuses for never advancing.

Chill. We're here to converse, not fight. I don't think I'm perfect, but I would like to see where you think I overgeneralized so that we could address those points.

Read your own posts with an eye towards what you accuse others of. You made it about over-generalization. I responded.

 

[Debater Slayer]

That sounds temporary.
One can’t plan ahead?
Your just offering excuses for never advancing.

Each person's situation is different. Sometimes things don't work out in practice as one has planned.

There are no excuses needed; just recognition that there's no one size that fits all. I prefer to know what someone's problems are before assuming they're not doing what they could or blaming them for a bad situation.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Some stuff has went up a lot, some a little, but fast food has definitely went up a lot (it's already expensive here anyways).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That sounds temporary.
One can’t plan ahead?
Your just offering excuses for never advancing.

Things just don't work in the real world like Libertarians and other Conservatives like to think. There's a lot of reasons people get stuck and can't move on. Not everyone has the resources, means, chances, transportation, health, opportunities or abilities to move on.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Things just don't work in the real world like Libertarians and other Conservatives like to think.

I can almost see smoke coming from their ears when it's said that some people are too poor to work.

 

[Revoltingest]

Each person's situation is different. Sometimes things don't work out in practice as one has planned.

What’s the purpose of this hypothetical….that a significant number of people are trapped in bad jobs they’re powerless to leave?
Evidence would be useful.

There are no excuses needed; just recognition that there's no one size that fits all. I prefer to know what someone's problems are before assuming they're not doing what they could or blaming them for a bad situation.

Agree to disagree.

 

[Revoltingest]

Things just don't work in the real world like Libertarians and other Conservatives like to think. There's a lot of reasons people get stuck and can't move on. Not everyone has the resources, means, chances, transportation, health, opportunities or abilities to move on.

And things really don’t work the way socialists think.
Now that trade is out of the way, let’s proceed….
How many people have bad jobs from which it’s impossible to advance or leave?

 

[Revoltingest]

That’s the funniest excuse yet.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

How many people have bad jobs from which it’s impossible to advance or leave?

Rate of Americans stuck in low paying jobs