Results of Prop 8

[Apex]

I thought other LDS might be interested in these stories.

A series of photos of the protest.
March Index

 

[Father Heathen]

I know this is DIR forum, so here is my civil question: how would you expect people to react when their rights and liberty get trampled? I think this whole 'shocked martyr' thing is kinda silly.

 

[gnomon]

So the DIR forums are now a proper receptacle of propaganda.

edit: It has been proven thus.

 

[LuisDantas]

Lamentable. Yet, there is no way around the matter. The revolt does exist and it is all but surprising, indeed because of Proposition eight.

I can't approve of the excesses shown... but honestly, I can't say that I would be any more calm and ponderate in their place.

 

[lilithu]

I think.... that if we start an argument in the LDS DIR, not only is it against the rules, but it's also just going to add to the feeling of being under siege. Let us trust that our Mormon friends can sort these things out amongst themselves. I've seen some very robust conversations in the LDS DIR without need of our input.

 

[deseretgov]

I read a post in a different forum that slightly changed my perspective on this topic. Marriage, be it civil or religious, was intituted of God. God said that is only to be betwwn men and women. Therefor homosexuals don't have the right to be married. God didn't ever give them that right. Do they have the right to live together and other stuff? Sure, they can do whatever they want. But they don't have the right to enter the marriage relationship, because God has only give heterosexuals the right to enter into marriage.

I don't mean this as an attack, just an expression of something I realized.

 

[Father Heathen]

I read a post in a different forum that slightly changed my perspective on this topic. Marriage, be it civil or religious, was intituted of God. God said that is only to be betwwn men and women. Therefor homosexuals don't have the right to be married. God didn't ever give them that right. Do they have the right to live together and other stuff? Sure, they can do whatever they want. But they don't have the right to enter the marriage relationship, because God has only give heterosexuals the right to enter into marriage.

I don't mean this as an attack, just an expression of something I realized.

Polite, civil question: what does your personal beliefs regarding what "god" wants have to do with U.S. law?

 

[deseretgov]

Polite, civil question: what does your personal beliefs regarding what "god" wants have to do with U.S. law?

It means that if the option to vote as to whether a homosexual couple should be allowed to be legally married then I would vote No. Because it is not their God given right.

Obviously if you have different opinion you would vote differently.

 

[Apex]

Anyone know about any articles of hatred, I mean "protests", against the other 95% of people who voted "yes" on Prop 8?

 

[deseretgov]

I dunno. But I couldn't find as many protest pictures that I wanted. I love reading their signs.

 

[Apex]

I dunno. But I couldn't find as many protest pictures that I wanted. I love reading their signs.

I thought a lot of them were funny too. Although I am still trying to figure out how it is not hypocritical to accuse an organization of hatred with more hatred (and in some cases, physical violence and vandalism).

 

[deseretgov]

Yeah I noticed them climbing on the fences of the temple. There was graffiti on fences. Are they allowed to attach those signs to the fence? You'd think that would be vandalism.

I heard that the LA Temple is closed because of the protests. Wouldn't that be violating our(meaning the saints in SoCal) right to worship?

 

[Truth_Faith13]

I know this is DIR forum, so here is my civil question: how would you expect people to react when their rights and liberty get trampled? I think this whole 'shocked martyr' thing is kinda silly.

What's annoying me about this, is that they are directing it at ONLY MORMONS. It wasn't only mormons that voted on Prop 8, other people did too! Not all Mormons were for Prop 8. I am not (obviously I don't get a say as I am in UK and all this stupidness isnt affecting me!).

I do understand if they want a protest, but have a general one. It really irritates me when they do things like this, which wont get them anywhere and if anything only gives people a reason not to like them! I can always remember before civil unions were permitted in the UK, there was a protest at HRH Prince Charles marriage to Camilla which I thought was completely outragious.

 

[Truth_Faith13]

Polite, civil question: what does your personal beliefs regarding what "god" wants have to do with U.S. law?

That's a very good point! :yes: You can turn that around. What does the US law have to do with our beliefs? ie Why are they protesting just to Mormons?

 

[Apex]

I found some more stuff on the protests Ill post latter. The protesters have beaten some non-LDS girls who tried to remove some of the hateful signs on the Temple. Arrests were made.

I no longer support the movement against Prop 8. I do not want to be associated with bigotry, hate, vandalism, and physical assault.

 

[Truth_Faith13]

I found some more stuff on the protests Ill post latter. The protesters have beaten some non-LDS girls who tried to remove some of the hateful signs on the Temple. Arrests were made.

I no longer support the movement against Prop 8. I do not want to be associated with bigotry, hate, vandalism, and physical assault.

I dont blame you! How these people can justify violence just because they lost on a vote - OK I know it has some impact on their lives, and they are passionate about it, but this is awful and there is NO EXCUSE for it!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

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[Apex]

Something else I found, Meridian, a pro-LDS website, was hacked by Prop 8 opponents last week and in its place was placed a homosexual porn video.

 

[Apex]

I found an interesting article about the protest written by a local LDS member who is also a police officer. I read this part and could not decide whether I should be angry or laugh.
Meridian Magazine:: Ideas and Society: In the Face of Hatred (part 1)
Meridian Magazine:: Ideas and Society: In the Face of Hatred (part 2)

LAPD has 22 geographic Areas divided between 4 administrative Bureaus . My investigative unit is attached to Operations-West Bureau – which has responsibility for the area where the Los Angeles temple grounds are located. We operate out of a squadroom across from the Bureau's administrative offices. In such proximity, I was in a position to observe the command post set up in the Bureau offices to monitor the actions of the field command post charged with keeping the already illegal (no permits) protest peaceful.
What I learned by watching and listening shouldn't have surprised me, but it did. During my 30+ year tenure, the LAPD as an organization has made great professional strides in the internal battle against sexual harassment, sexual orientation harassment, and racism. While there are still those in civil liberty organizations who contest we are still guilty of racially profiling on the streets (difficult to imagine when our department is so thoroughly integrated at this point in time), organizationally there is little or no tension remaining in these areas.
In the Bureau command post there was a large screen television displaying scenes from the protest outside the Los Angeles temple. Imagine my surprise, when angry protestors began rushing the closed temple gates, and I heard an officer in the command post say, “I hope they burn that place to the ground.”



Imagine my even stronger surprise when another officer replied, “They better hope they don't get through the gates, because the Mormons have an army in a bunker under the temple that will come out and kill them all.”
Really? My temple recommend must not be of a high enough clearance to get me into that part of the temple.

We have a secret underground army? Why wasn't I invited? Come on guys, stop keeping me out in the cold.

 

[deseretgov]

How a secret army?! I want to sign up! Where's the recruiting office? Maybe I have to give a secret password to the stake president during my temple recomend interview. And I thought that there was only a laundry room and cafeteria in the basement of the Idaho Falls temple.