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Scuba Pete
Le plongeur avec attitude...
Why can't it be both? A comforter until he returns?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
It's prolly cause they didn't know about duck down duvet's at the time it was written.
Unveiled Artist
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He sent a comfortor Until he returns.
Unveiled Artist
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Rats. You beat me.
Jesus himself was a Comforter. As were all Advocates of the disenfranchised and marginalized.
Job
Biblical masc. proper name, name of an ancient patriarch whose story forms a book of the Old Testament, from Hebrew Iyyobh, which according to some scholars is literally "hated, persecuted," from ayyabh "he was hostile to," related to ebhah "enmity." Others say it means "the penitent one." Figurative of bad news, destitution, and patient endurance. Hence Job's comforter, of one who brings news of additional misfortune (1736).
thus Job was like Jesus a righteous man.
In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil.
Those who hate me without reason outnumber the hairs of my head; many are my enemies without cause, those who seek to destroy me. I am forced to restore what I did not steal.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Job
Biblical masc. proper name, name of an ancient patriarch whose story forms a book of the Old Testament, from Hebrew Iyyobh, which according to some scholars is literally "hated, persecuted," from ayyabh "he was hostile to," related to ebhah "enmity." Others say it means "the penitent one." Figurative of bad news, destitution, and patient endurance. Hence Job's comforter, of one who brings news of additional misfortune (1736).
thus Job was like Jesus a righteous man.
In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil.
Those who hate me without reason outnumber the hairs of my head; many are my enemies without cause, those who seek to destroy me. I am forced to restore what I did not steal.
You need to put commentary.
The comfortor came after jesus resurrection which caused the pentocosst in the book of Acts. Since jesus has resurrected, he sent a comfortor (his spirit) to comfort or put hope/trust that jesus wouod return.
Its fancy language for jesus giving his followers the "promise" inside them that he will return and those who hold on to that promise, spread the word, and have faith will be the ones with whom jesus would resurrect with him upon arrival.
Job is OT. Assuming the comfortoe mentioned in the OT is the creator. The one in the NT is christ.
About the comfortor (not all christians believe in a comfortor/holy spirit)
14:16 Then I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate to be with you forever – 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot accept, because it does not see him or know him. But you know him, because he resides with you and will be in you.
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My view there is no holy spirit. There is the spirit of christ, creator, and truth/message/Word. Holy spirit is redundant. If christ is present there is no need for the holy spirit. However, most christian denomni say christ is present and they are born again in christ. With that, they are saying he has returned already instead of depending on his word/truth he left Until his return.
But then christians have various beliefs so my view wouldnt be any less valid than a christians.
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the Holy Spirit, Love, enlivens. The comforter is a person, a good samaritan; if you will.
Comforter
the Judges of Israel were Advocates; if they were righteous.
Unveiled Artist
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The problem is that christians have various different beliefs. The link I have you is JW. They dont believe in he holy spirit.
Comfortor is the truth of jesus christ. When he was resurrected, his spirit (truth) spread to the apostles. Thats during the pentacoast. Then they preached to the gentiles. Many people turned to christ. Jesus mentions this truth or promise or faith would be with believers until he returns.
Its jesus spirit.
it's the Spirit that raises all, uplifts all. LOVE
Son of Man = Ezekiel 2:2
As he spoke, the Spirit came into me and raised me to my feet, and I heard him speaking to me.
there is no idol worship within me. Only that of the Spirit of Love
Son of God = Romans 8:11
And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Yes. In christianity, it is jesus christ spirit with whom is the comfortor.
energy can not be created, or destroyed, it simply changes personalities. I AM forever.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I'm not sure how this relates to my comment.
the spirit doesn't come into being, nor out of it. by the Spirit of God "All" of heaven and earth was created. Genesis 1:1, Isaiah 66:2.
Jesus created by the Holy Spirit that overshadowed Mary. All things are created this WAY. God is not a respecter of persons, not even of the person Jesus.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Have you got a source for either option?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
No you are not.
The atoms that are your body are going to be part of worms, moles, the atmosphere et al!
no, it's what is called the no-hiding theorem.
God is without form. God isn't without matter, or substance. matter takes on varying states, like lightning is the form of plasma. there are higher/lower states of matter; which have more/less mass.
E = m(c*c) means that matter and energy are the same thing but based on how you look at them. is it a wave? or is it a particle?
Unveiled Artist
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Jesus was not created by the holy spirit. The holy spirit (whatever it is) was given by god to those who believe in his son. I still don't understand your point.
Acts 2:38 “And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
Spirit is a collection of - "Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, "Galatians 5:22-23"
Isaiah 11:2 - And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
There are three separate spirits.
There is the spirit of the creator.
Spirit of Christ.
Spirit of truth/wisdom (and whats above).
Creator sent jesus. Jesus was resurrected. His resurrection brought truth, love, and all of that jazz and it's a collective term for "spirit" for which christians consider it "holy."
Genesis 1:1, Isaiah 66:2 This supports my verses above.
Correcting myself after reading scripture. The creator sent the comforter (holy spirit) in promise and until his son will returns. It's both. Spirit first. Return of jesus second.
That's the answer to your question.