sandy whitelinger
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angellous_evangellous said:
Acts 26:24
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Revalation
- Thread starter Yukimor
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Acts 26:24
sandy whitelinger
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*Paul* said:
wow, someone is finally making sense here. Can I sit down now?
Yukimor said:
That depends on what you expect the end of the world to look like. The text describes a new earth, but doesn't say anything about the planet exploding. However, when a person experiences the revelation of Jesus Christ (as John did), that brings about the end of your natural world.
John says in the text (1:10) that he was in the Spirit on the Lord's day. The Lord's day in the Old Testament was the day of God's visitation to judge those who profess to be His people. The destruction of Jerusalem by Rome after the rejection of Jesus was a precursor to the present Day of the Lord. What John records throughout the book is a cryptic description of this day.
BruceDLimber
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Hi Angellous!
I will refer you to:
www.bahai-library.org
where in the "Books" section you can find Apocalypse Unsealed, which is a 214-page book explaining the prophecies in the Book of Revelation in detail, verse by verse! It explains the End of the Age, as contrasted with the so-called end of the world.
(You may also find The Apocalypse there, by the same author.)
Regards, and good hunting!
Bruce
I will refer you to:
www.bahai-library.org
where in the "Books" section you can find Apocalypse Unsealed, which is a 214-page book explaining the prophecies in the Book of Revelation in detail, verse by verse! It explains the End of the Age, as contrasted with the so-called end of the world.
(You may also find The Apocalypse there, by the same author.)
Regards, and good hunting!
Bruce
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angellous_evangellous
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sandy whitelinger said:
How appropo.
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angellous_evangellous
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sandy whitelinger said:
Sandy says:
24At this point Festus interrupted Paul's defense. "You are out of your mind, Paul!" he shouted. "Your great learning is driving you insane."
The reply of Angellous can only be:
25"I am not insane, most excellent Festus," Paul replied. "What I am saying is true and reasonable."
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angellous_evangellous
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adilrockstar said:
How is it not likely that several manuscripts read 666 and the earliest reads 616 if there is no scribal error?
Are they both right? Did John or the author of "Revelation" receive in his vision two numbers and write them down himself (or dictate it to someone else) 666 one time and 616 in another copy?
What could two "marks of the beast" mean? Perhaps the number is entirely insignificant, if indeed scribal error is as unlikely as you suppose, meaning that John actually dictated two numbers.
Or it could mean that there are actually two marks of the beast, in which case Christians should show contempt for two numbers: the earlier 616 and the latter 666.
:cover:
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angellous_evangellous
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BruceDLimber said:Hi Angellous!
I will refer you to:
www.bahai-library.org
where in the "Books" section you can find Apocalypse Unsealed, which is a 214-page book explaining the prophecies in the Book of Revelation in detail, verse by verse! It explains the End of the Age, as contrasted with the so-called end of the world.
(You may also find The Apocalypse there, by the same author.)
Regards, and good hunting!
Bruce
Thanks, but you said that the KJV mistranslates the Greek. If you still stand by your statement, I'd like to see evidence for it if you have any.
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angellous_evangellous
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*Paul* said:
The inclusion of the book of Revelation in the Christian canon was a mistake of epic proportions. None of the early church fathers uderstood it, and it eludes the efforts of the best biblical scholars and theologians.
The only thing that book has seen is abuse.
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angellous_evangellous
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angellous_evangellous said:
Very well said, Angellous.
Frubals on your head!
BruceDLimber
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angellous_evangellous said:
For starters, the fact that IOV the end of the Age has come and gone (a century and a half ago), and the world's still here pressing on!
Of course, YMMV as ever.
Best,
Bruce
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angellous_evangellous
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BruceDLimber said:For starters, the fact that IOV the end of the Age has come and gone (a century and a half ago), and the world's still here pressing on!
Of course, YMMV as ever.
Best,
Bruce
With respect, that is not evidence that the KJV mistranslates anything.
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angellous_evangellous
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sojourner said:
It's definately worth frubals!
29 The inclusion of the book of Revelation in the Christian canon was a mistake of epic proportions.
To the contrary: the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him to show to His slaves the things that must quickly take place, making it known by signs, sending it by His angel to His slave John, who testified the word of God and testimony of Jesus Christ, all that he saw: Blessed's he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy and keep the things written in it
None of the early church fathers uderstood it,
To the contrary: some of them understood some of it
and it eludes the efforts of the best biblical scholars and theologians.
Then i wouldn't call them "best biblical scholars or theologians"
The only thing that book has seen is abuse.
To the contrary: Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy and keep the things written in it, for the time's near
To the contrary: the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him to show to His slaves the things that must quickly take place, making it known by signs, sending it by His angel to His slave John, who testified the word of God and testimony of Jesus Christ, all that he saw: Blessed's he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy and keep the things written in it
None of the early church fathers uderstood it,
To the contrary: some of them understood some of it
and it eludes the efforts of the best biblical scholars and theologians.
Then i wouldn't call them "best biblical scholars or theologians"
The only thing that book has seen is abuse.
To the contrary: Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy and keep the things written in it, for the time's near
3 It's about the fall of the Roman Empire...
'Specially since the "Roman Empire" will be "revived."
In any case: Revelation's more cosmological than merely that (cf posts 9, 23 para 1)
7 somthin' about Nero
"666" = Caesar Nero, per its Hebrew. And Nero eventually reembodied (17:11).
Matchin his "empire"
23 when a person experiences the revelation of Jesus Christ (as John did), that brings about the end of your natural world.
'Specially since the "Roman Empire" will be "revived."
In any case: Revelation's more cosmological than merely that (cf posts 9, 23 para 1)
7 somthin' about Nero
"666" = Caesar Nero, per its Hebrew. And Nero eventually reembodied (17:11).
Matchin his "empire"
23 when a person experiences the revelation of Jesus Christ (as John did), that brings about the end of your natural world.
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In fact, it's about the end of the Age: the "end of the world" thing was a mistranslation of the original Greek by the compilers of the King James Version, who overlooked the fact that the same Greek word, "eras," means either "world" or "age."
Then picked the wrong meaning, and the rest is history! . . .
(And in the Baha'i view the end of the Age has already come and gone, BTW.)
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce, you are getting close to the meaning, but any concordance will show that the word translated as "world" should be "age", as you point out. But the word in the Greek is "aion", meaning "age"--a time period of unknown, but not unending length.
While "world" is from "kosmos", meaning "arrangement, beauty".
SO, there is no word in the Greek that means both "world" or "age". Look it up!
Also, Revelation is still future. It is "The day of the Lord" or " The Lord's day" as John writes---same thing.
There is no such thing as "the end of the world".
Bick
In fact, it's about the end of the Age: the "end of the world" thing was a mistranslation of the original Greek by the compilers of the King James Version, who overlooked the fact that the same Greek word, "eras," means either "world" or "age."
Then picked the wrong meaning, and the rest is history! . . .
(And in the Baha'i view the end of the Age has already come and gone, BTW.)
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce, you are getting close to the meaning, but any concordance will show that the word translated as "world" should be "age", as you point out. But the word in the Greek is "aion", meaning "age"--a time period of unknown, but not unending length.
While "world" is from "kosmos", meaning "arrangement, beauty".
SO, there is no word in the Greek that means both "world" or "age". Look it up!
Also, Revelation is still future. It is "The day of the Lord" or " The Lord's day" as John writes---same thing.
There is no such thing as "the end of the world".
Bick